Re: Having a "DPL committee"?

2021-03-22 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2021/03/19 21:01, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > The idea was discussed two years ago. Sam chose a range of people to > help him with delegations. It's come up a few times in past platforms and discussions on -vote too! > Being a DPL is a high-energy thing even when one doesn't try to "lead" >

Re: How can we make Debian packaging more standardised?

2021-03-22 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi pollo On 2021/03/19 20:05, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > In becoming a DD, one of the main challenges I faced was the absence of > a standard way to package software in Debian. > > I've since seen first hand how having a very large number of ways to > package things in Debian confuse and u

Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects

2021-03-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jonathan Carter dijo [Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 09:16:15PM +0200]: > On 2021/03/18 19:46, Raphael Hertzog wrote:> I announced this on > debian-project[1] and on Planet Debian[2] a while ago. > > But at this point, we have only funded a single project[3], leaving us > > with more than 25 KEUR available f

Re: How can we make Debian packaging more standardised?

2021-03-22 Thread Paride Legovini
Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote on 19/03/2021: Dear DPL candidates, In becoming a DD, one of the main challenges I faced was the absence of a standard way to package software in Debian. /me not a candidate, just keeping on the tradition of jumping on interesting threads :-) I just want to br

Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects

2021-03-22 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Gunnar" == Gunnar Wolf writes: Gunnar> In my case, fortunately my livelihood is guaranteed, and Gunnar> depending on many things, I will have more or less time Gunnar> available for the projects in Debian I most care Gunnar> about... Adding money offers to the mix won't ch

Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects

2021-03-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Gunnar Wolf writes: > Debian is very large and diverse, and I know that any generalization > will underrepresent people. Maybe this would mostly apply to > long-standing DDs, or whatever. That said, I feel many areas of Debian > consist of people quite similar to myself -- Fully employed > profes

Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects

2021-03-22 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes: Russ> This is a deep structural problem that we're going to struggle Russ> to solve with modest changes such as increased efficiency to Russ> try to make our scaling more sublinear, or increased Russ> recruitment (of still primarily unpaid vol

Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects

2021-03-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Sam Hartman writes: > I'd like to ask you to look at the elephant in the room. This > conversation came up specifically because we were talking about an > organization loosely associated with Debian paying some Debian > developers. > Yet, you didn't consider any of the middle options in your >

Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects

2021-03-22 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 18/03/21 at 20:44 +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > I've been pondering how it might be possible to spend more of Debian's > money, and it occurred to me that we could allocate a budget to each DD > which they could spend on pretty-much anything (as long as, for Debian > funds, the expenditure i

Re: How can we make Debian packaging more standardised?

2021-03-22 Thread Christian Kastner
On 22.03.21 19:41, Paride Legovini wrote: > Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote on 19/03/2021: > https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2019-03-10-debian-winding-down/ > > I think that the lack of standardization and the fragmented > infrastructure is in good part the root of most of the problems he > out

Re: How can we make Debian packaging more standardised?

2021-03-22 Thread Jonas Meurer
Hello, Jonathan Carter wrote: One of the reasons I like team-maintained packages is teams often have a single packaging standard. Sadly, each team has their own way of doing things and working in multiple teams means working with multiple "standards". If you were elected as DPL, what would you

Re: Should the project hire one or two persons to help the DPL?

2021-03-22 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le vendredi, 19 mars 2021, 10.38:08 h CET Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > There are quite a few software projects that have hired staff to help > smooth the internal working of organizations, I know at least of Django > with its fellowship program: > https://www.djangoproject.com/fundraising/#fellowshi

Re: How can we make Debian packaging more standardised?

2021-03-22 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 22 mars 2021, 21.09:05 h CET Jonas Meurer a écrit : > Why not have an officially delegated Debian Project Board that meets > once a week (or every two weeks) and discusses and tackles painpoints in > the project at large? Or an elected one. -- OdyX signature.asc Description: This

Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects

2021-03-22 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le vendredi, 19 mars 2021, 17.49:54 h CET Louis-Philippe Véronneau a écrit : > On 2021-03-19 08 h 02, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > >> I've been telling a few people last month that I would really liked to > >> have an Enterprise Edition Online MiniDebConf, unfortunately I don't > >> have any time/energ

Re: Should the project hire one or two persons to help the DPL?

2021-03-22 Thread Thomas Hochstein
gregor herrmann schrieb: > I also know from personal experience in (non-software) volunteer > organizations, and a friend of mine has written her diploma thesis on > this topic researching yet another NGO, that a setup with a volunteer > board/committee/chairperson/president and employed > executi