Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-26 Thread Ansgar
Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana writes: > On 3/25/19 3:42 PM, Jonathan Carter wrote: >> There's a massive amount of interesting things happening in the space. >> Matrix is good, but Mattermost is certainly worth looking at as well. >> >> https://mattermost.com/ [...] > There is also Rocket.chat. >

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-26 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2019/03/26 10:32, Ansgar wrote: > What makes Matrix interesting for me is that it is federated and that > there is a client ecosystem developing[1]. > > I might be interested in trying to get a Matrix homeserver for > debian.org as an experimental service. Need to investigate what this > needs

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-26 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 3/26/19 9:32 AM, Ansgar wrote: > Both Mattermost and Rocket.chat are centralized services. This means > users have to create a Debian-specific account and might have to keep a > Debian-specific instance of the client running (if the client doesn't > support logging into multiple accounts at the

Re: Question to Martin: How are your Grants and Paid DPL Proposals Differnt than Dunc-Tanc

2019-03-26 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Sam Hartman [2019-03-20 14:10]: > Let me start by saying that I think it would be valuable to find ways > to get more people paid to work on Debian; I was excited to see that in > your platform. > > I'm nervous because of our past experience in this area. I wasn't sure how to reply to your me

Conflict of Interest Statement for sam Hartman

2019-03-26 Thread Sam Hartman
>* Conflict of interest: I'm happy to see that your and Joerg's >employers would support your DPL activities. However, I've no idea who >they are or what they want from Debian. Maybe they use Debian and >want to give back with no strings attached, but I could definitely see >a situation where a

Re: Conflict of Interest Statement for sam Hartman

2019-03-26 Thread Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
Hi Sam, On 3/26/19 12:28 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > My employer is Hadron Industries (http://www.hadronindustries.com/) . Please invite them to sponsor DebConf19 :-) https://debconf19.debconf.org/sponsors/become-a-sponsor/ Best regards, -- Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana (phls) Curitiba -

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-26 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 19-03-25 12 h 54, Ansgar wrote: > a lot of communication in Debian happens over IRC. However IRC is not > as nice to use as newer alternatives, creating a barrier for newer > contributors. The way I see it, IRC is a barrier for new contributors, but there are ways to make IRC more accessible:

Re: Question to Martin: How are your Grants and Paid DPL Proposals Differnt than Dunc-Tanc

2019-03-26 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Martin On 2019/03/26 14:30, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Fairness and privilege: you and Joerg can run for DPL because of > your employer support; Jonathan and I can run because we're willing to > sacrifice a hit to our income. But how many potential DPL candidates > are we ruling out because t

Re: Question to Martin: How are your Grants and Paid DPL Proposals Differnt than Dunc-Tanc

2019-03-26 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Jonathan Carter [2019-03-26 17:35]: > Well, Debian LTS *is* part of Debian, at least according to the Debian > LTS team, unless there's something else you're alluding to? Debian LTS is part of Debian. Debian LTS wouldn't be viable without the funded development organized through Freexian. Fre

Conflict of Interest Statement for Joerg Jaspert

2019-03-26 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi * Conflict of interest: I'm happy to see that your and Joerg's employers would support your DPL activities. However, I've no idea who they are or what they want from Debian. Maybe they use Debian and want to give back with no strings attached, but I could definitely see a situation where a

Re: Question to Martin: How are your Grants and Paid DPL Proposals Differnt than Dunc-Tanc

2019-03-26 Thread Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
Hi, On 3/26/19 9:30 AM, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > Finally, I see one risk: we keep repeating that something is > controversial even though we're not sure it's *still* controversial. > By repeating this myth, we're keeping it alive. The world has > changed. Debian has to finds ways to adapt.

Re: Conflict of Interest Statement for Joerg Jaspert

2019-03-26 Thread martin f krafft
Quoting "Joerg Jaspert", who wrote on 2019-03-26 at 20:56 Uhr +0100: I am holding positions of power in Debian What does this mean in the context of you running for DPL? Will you hold on to these roles, or give them up? -- .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft : :' : proud Debian develop

Re: Conflict of Interest Statement for Joerg Jaspert

2019-03-26 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15353 March 1977, martin f. krafft wrote: I am holding positions of power in Debian What does this mean in the context of you running for DPL? Will you hold on to these roles, or give them up? Thats part of my platform: --8<---cut here---start->8--- 7 Wh

Are Martin and Sam's platforms equivalent?

2019-03-26 Thread Jose Miguel Parrella
Thanks to all candidates for putting together your rebuttals. It's always good to see lots of "if elected, I plan to work with other candidates" Martin, do you really see "lot of parallels" with Sam's platform? Sam's platform is all about innovative people mechanics. I would much rather prefer a

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-26 Thread Jonas Meurer
Hi Alex, Alexander Wirt: > On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, Jonas Meurer wrote: >> Alexander Wirt: >>> In my experience as a former mailman admin and listadmin mailman is a >>> no-go. >>> Getting our feature set even nearly into mailman is impossible, takes years >>> and will just get us an unmaintainable thi

Re: Are Martin and Sam's platforms equivalent?

2019-03-26 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Jose" == Jose Miguel Parrella writes: Jose> The question is _what_ would be up for discussion, given it's Jose> only a year. In the discussions here, three items have come up that resonate with me significantly: 1) Can we recommend/require dh > 9? 2) Do we want to more strongly

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 3/26/19 7:07 PM, Jonas Meurer wrote: Hi Alex, Alexander Wirt: On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, Jonas Meurer wrote: Alexander Wirt: In my experience as a former mailman admin and listadmin mailman is a no-go. Getting our feature set even nearly into mailman is impossible, takes years and will just get

Re: Question to Martin: How are your Grants and Paid DPL Proposals Differnt than Dunc-Tanc

2019-03-26 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Martin Michlmayr [2019-03-26 19:30]: > I see several problems that the current situation has: > > * Conflict of interest > * Fairness and privilege I had a third point that I forgot to include. * Burnout: despite being a volunteer position, we have these completely mad expectations of the DPL

Re: Are Martin and Sam's platforms equivalent?

2019-03-26 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Jose Miguel Parrella [2019-03-26 15:30]: > Martin, do you really see "lot of parallels" with Sam's platform? My platform contains two major topics: 1) creating a more healthy commercial ecosystem around Debian and 2) changing the culture. While Sam doesn't mention 1), I do see a lot of paralle