Re: Q to all candidates: dropping SC §5

2015-03-17 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 09:37:33PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > There are two possibilities for such a proposal: either we keep running > contrib/non-free like we do now but just change the domain names, or we > actually try to eliminate them from the project. The former is a bunch of > work (for

Re: Q to all candidates: dropping SC §5

2015-03-17 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:28:17PM +, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: > Can you elaborate on why dropping §5 is desirable for us? I take you don't see it as desirable then :) -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zac

Re: Q to all candidates: dropping SC §5

2015-03-17 Thread Andreas Barth
* Stefano Zacchiroli (z...@debian.org) [150317 08:42]: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:28:17PM +, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: > > Can you elaborate on why dropping §5 is desirable for us? > > I take you don't see it as desirable then :) Doing that will generate additional work. This might be justified b

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

2015-03-17 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
Le 2015-03-17 07:41, martin f krafft a écrit : also sprach Mehdi Dogguy [2015-03-17 00:46 +0100]: programs like Outreachy. I think that we can fund 2 slots per year. […] Of course, as you duly noted, this doesn't prevent us from organizing a fun raising campaign to sponsor extra slots. I

Re: Q to all candidates: dropping SC §5

2015-03-17 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 08:46:48AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > in addition to saying "we can now wash our hands in innocence", which > I don't find particularily appealing?). Maybe it is. But isn't stating "The packages in these areas are not part of the Debian system" yet another instance of "w

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

2015-03-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Mehdi Dogguy [2015-03-17 09:56 +0100]: > For a start, Debian can fund two slots *this* year. If we want to > do this sustainably, we will have to make sure we have funds > dedicated for it Just funding the slots won't cut it, at least not if we want a return. Outreachy, and all other

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

2015-03-17 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
Le 2015-03-17 10:03, martin f krafft a écrit : also sprach Mehdi Dogguy [2015-03-17 09:56 +0100]: For a start, Debian can fund two slots *this* year. If we want to do this sustainably, we will have to make sure we have funds dedicated for it Just funding the slots won't cut it, at least not i

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

2015-03-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Mehdi Dogguy [2015-03-17 11:08 +0100]: > Why not proceeding step by step instead of trying to build up big plans > even before we start? We've started. -- .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft : :' : proud Debian developer `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduck `- Debian

Re: Q to all candidates: dropping SC §5

2015-03-17 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 17 mars 2015, 14.16:09 Paul Wise a écrit : > Add an extra component that d-i could add to sources.list when > non-free firmware is needed, instead of adding all of non-free. I'd very much welcome a solution along these lines: not every package in non-free is the same kind of evil for me

Re: Q to all candidates: DebConf orga

2015-03-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:03:07PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > What is your perception of DebConf and its organisation? > If any, what changes would you like to implement? > The history of the DebConf team is long and varied, and has changed quite a bit since I was involved. (Note: backgroun

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

2015-03-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 08:06:26PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 06:44:45PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > * Outreach. Every team complains (quite rightly!) about the lack of > > people to do the work. Yet we seem to be rather poor at actively > > recruiting people to

Re: Q to all candidates: dropping SC §5

2015-03-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Stefano Zacchiroli writes: > You seem to view dropping SC §5 as something potentially catastrophic > from the technical side, for enterprise and large-scale deployments. But > at the same time you acknowledge changing domain names as a way to go > about it. Surely if we do that change the catastr