Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 11:34:14PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > I think it would be better if ctte members did not bring disputes to the ctte > and then vote on the resolution of that dispute. [...] One thing I'd been pondering suggesting was that the ctte change how they view "requests". ATM

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 06:42:40PM -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > * Do away with the Technical Committee entirely. > > The main questions this raises are: > > How would we deal with conflicts that would currently be addressed by > the TC? Hopefully, the answers would be something like: col

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Stefano Zacchiroli writes: > From those who want to drop the CTTE, I'd like to know what would they > have done to decide upon the init system for Jessie. It seems to me that > we have tried not to use the CTTE on that dispute for several years, > with the net result of raging flamewars and no de

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 09:11:43AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > From those who want to drop the CTTE, I'd like to know what would they > have done to decide upon the init system for Jessie. There were two aspects to that question: do we support non-default init systems, and which is the def

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Clint Adams wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:50:30PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote: > Disbanding the TC would likely do more harm than good. There would be > no way to conclude a disagreement. I believe that there is evidence prior to 1999 that neither of

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-03 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes: Russ> There's another alternative to using the CTTE, and my Russ> understanding is that this was generally the method used prior Russ> to the existence of the CTTE, but I'm not sure it's really any Russ> better. Russ> There are specific te

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-03 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 02:46:25PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: >Clint Adams wrote: >On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:50:30PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote: >> Disbanding the TC would likely do more harm than good. There would > be >> no way to conclude a disagreement. >

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:50:30PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote: >> Disbanding the TC would likely do more harm than good. There would be >> no way to conclude a disagreement. >> >> I suggested this before: >> >> TC actions should be

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Sam Hartman wrote: >> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes: > > Russ> There's another alternative to using the CTTE, and my > Russ> understanding is that this was generally the method used prior > Russ> to the existence of the CTTE, but I'm not sure it's rea

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 04 Dec 2014, Michael Gilbert wrote: > Doesn't that require constitutional change? The current powers as > written make the TC a decision-making body, not a mediation body. Not really, because it doesn't take any constitutional powers to try to mediate. -- Don Armstrong

Re: General resolution: Limiting term for tech-ctte members.

2014-12-03 Thread Derek Holtby
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