Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-02 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Stefano Zacchiroli > I'm hereby formally submitting the GR proposal included below between > dashed double lines, and calling for seconds. With respect to past > discussions on the -vote mailing list, this is the proposal code-named > "2-S"; see [1,2] for (the last known versions of) alternat

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-02 Thread Philip Hands
Tollef Fog Heen writes: > ]] Stefano Zacchiroli > >> I'm hereby formally submitting the GR proposal included below between >> dashed double lines, and calling for seconds. With respect to past >> discussions on the -vote mailing list, this is the proposal code-named >> "2-S"; see [1,2] for (the

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-02 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:46:01AM +, Philip Hands wrote: > It does not strike me as obvious that popularity correlates to > competence. Also, it would not be helpful if members of the committee > were tempted to take the popular side of an argument, against their > better judgement, because t

Re: Suggestion to simplify clause 2. (was: Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte)

2014-12-02 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 01/12/14 at 18:44 +, Philip Hands wrote: > Scott Kitterman writes: > > > On Monday, December 01, 2014 04:59:53 PM Colin Tuckley wrote: > >> On 01/12/14 16:50, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> > As an amendment, I propose the transitional measure be removed. > >> > >> Why not support the a

Re: Suggestion to simplify clause 2. (was: Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte)

2014-12-02 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 12:34:16PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 01/12/14 at 18:44 +, Philip Hands wrote: > > In the spirit of making things as good as possible before the vote, I'll > > mention an idea that was kicked around earlier, and seemed to meet with > > a fair amount of approval, j

Re: Suggestion to simplify clause 2. (was: Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte)

2014-12-02 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 02/12/14 at 12:52 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > If there is consensus that simplicity is preferable and Lucas won't mind > dealing with the upcoming ties (in a way that is constitutionally > sound), I'll be happy to formally accept an amendment to that end. I would find it a bit strange to

Re: Suggestion to simplify clause 2. (was: Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte)

2014-12-02 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 01:11:19PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > How would you implement that? By expliciting making the DPL the > tie-breaking entity in that case, or by implicitely falling back to > 5.1.4 "Make any decision for whom noone else has responsibility."? I had in mind to explicitly s

Re: Suggestion to simplify clause 2. (was: Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte)

2014-12-02 Thread Philip Hands
Lucas Nussbaum writes: > On 02/12/14 at 12:52 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >> If there is consensus that simplicity is preferable and Lucas won't mind >> dealing with the upcoming ties (in a way that is constitutionally >> sound), I'll be happy to formally accept an amendment to that end. > >

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-02 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/01/2014 12:20 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > [ Cross post -vote, -project ; M-F-T: to -vote. > > For more background information on the development of this proposal, see > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00274.html ] > > I'm

Re: Alternative proposal (+call for seconds): Expire 2-R members every year

2014-12-02 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/01/2014 02:37 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > [ Cross post -vote, -project ; M-F-T: to -vote ] > > Hi, > > I am hereby formally submitting an alternative proposal, between > double-dashed lines below (formally it's an "amendment", but I don't ex

Re: Alternative proposal (+call for seconds): Expire 2-R members every year

2014-12-02 Thread Colin Tuckley
On 01/12/14 13:37, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > === > The Constitution is amended as follows: > > --- > --- constitution.txt.orig 2014-11-17 18:02:53.3149

draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-02 Thread Clint Adams
Anyone want to sanity-check the section numbering? --- /tmp/constitution.txt.orig 2014-12-02 15:54:42.758894286 -0500 +++ /tmp/constitution.txt 2014-12-02 16:04:12.864929363 -0500 @@ -20,10 +20,9 @@ Each decision in the Project is made by one or more of the following: 1. The Develo

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-02 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Philip Hands > Tollef Fog Heen writes: > > > ]] Stefano Zacchiroli > > > >> I'm hereby formally submitting the GR proposal included below between > >> dashed double lines, and calling for seconds. With respect to past > >> discussions on the -vote mailing list, this is the proposal code-na

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-02 Thread Jakub Wilk
Hi Clint! This is an interesting proposal. But it's a big change, so I think it should be thoroughly discussed before I could second it. Also, I'd prefer to have it as a separate GR than bundled with zack's GR. * Clint Adams , 2014-12-02, 21:08: Anyone want to sanity-check the section number

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-02 Thread Clint Adams
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 12:13:32AM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: > Acting together with themselves? ;-) Thank you. --- /tmp/constitution.txt.orig 2014-12-02 15:54:42.758894286 -0500 +++ /tmp/constitution.txt 2014-12-02 18:17:43.180963356 -0500 @@ -20,10 +20,9 @@ Each decision in the Project

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-02 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 12/02/2014 06:13 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote: > This is an interesting proposal. But it's a big change, so I think it > should be thoroughly discussed before I could second it. I agree some discussion would be useful, but seems like it's a lot simpler than all the other noodling with term-limits tha

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-02 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On 12/02/2014 06:13 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote: > >> This is an interesting proposal. But it's a big change, so I think it >> should be thoroughly discussed before I could second it. > > I agree some discussion would be useful, but seems like i

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:50:30 PM Michael Gilbert wrote: > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > > On 12/02/2014 06:13 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote: > >> This is an interesting proposal. But it's a big change, so I think it > >> should be thoroughly discussed before I could s

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-02 Thread Clint Adams
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:50:30PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote: > Disbanding the TC would likely do more harm than good. There would be > no way to conclude a disagreement. I believe that there is evidence prior to 1999 that neither of these sentences is accurate. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-02 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:50:30PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote: > Disbanding the TC would likely do more harm than good. There would be > no way to conclude a disagreement. > > I suggested this before: > > TC actions should be limited solely to disagreement mediation, and only > when >