[DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
Here is a draft GR text which builds on Anthony's work and implements some of the aspects discussed in this thread. See below for comments/rationales and the attachment for a wdiff. == The Constitution is amended as follow

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Anthony Towns
On 18 November 2014 20:33, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Here is a draft GR text which builds on Anthony's work and implements > some of the aspects discussed in this thread. See below for > comments/rationales and the attachment for a wdiff. > Looks good to me.​ > + 3. At each review ro

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:41:13PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Looks good to me.​ Thanks for your feedback. New draft attached implementing (almost all) the changes you suggested. The GR text is now also available at http://git.upsilon.cc/?p=text/gr-ctte-term-limit.git;a=summary which also c

Re: Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, > 6.2. Composition > > 1. The Technical Committee consists of up to 8 Developers, and should >usually have at least 4 members. > 2. When there are fewer than 8 members the Technical Committee may >recommend new member(s) to the Project Leader, who may choose >

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Hubert Chathi
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 14:15:25 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli said: >7. Term limit: > 1. Membership of the Technical Committee is automatically >reviewed on the 1st of January of each year. At this time, the >terms of the 2 most senior members automatically expire >

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:41:13PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > "provided /they/ were appointed" > > This is still pending, and noted in BUGS. I agree this is as a potential > problem, at least if you look at it from a paranoid angle. I find your

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Don, On Dienstag, 18. November 2014, Don Armstrong wrote: > This patch is simple, but: > -1. The Technical Committee consists of up to 8 Developers, and should > +1. The Technical Committee consists of up to 9 Developers, and should [...] > But if this is at all controversial, then we c

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi zack@, Thanks for pushing this subject forward, it's a constitutional change I would likely second. Le mardi, 18 novembre 2014, 14.15:25 Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > > "provided /they/ were appointed" reads to me like it might mean that > > if only one of them was appointed that long ago, m

[DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:33:10AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Here is a draft GR text which builds on Anthony's work and implements > some of the aspects discussed in this thread. See below for > comments/rationales and the attachment for a wdiff. Updated draft below. Changelog is: - fix

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 21:49:52 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > === > The Constitution is amended as follows: > > --- > --- constitution.txt.orig

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014, Holger Levsen wrote: > (FWIW, I _think_ I prefer an even number here... and despite labeling > this a "game changer" I'm not sure I care that much about this > change... arg and this might sound like it could be misunderstood > again...) The real reason to use an odd number is

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Dienstag, 18. November 2014, Don Armstrong wrote: > The real reason to use an odd number is to avoid having to use the > casting vote in the CTTE. Considering that we've used the casting vote > exactly once in the entire history of Debian, I'm not sure that > including this is worth the eff

increasing maximum ctte size

2014-11-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
[ secretary: question for you at the end ] On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:21:42PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > Maybe this: [ I've addressed this in https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00165.html ] > Also, one of the things that would also be nice to fix is to make the > max number of

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 09:44:43PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > This is still pending, and noted in BUGS. I agree this is as a > > potential problem, at least if you look at it from a paranoid angle. > > I find your suggested wording not immediate, though, and I wonder if > > a/ someone e

Results for init system coupling

2014-11-18 Thread devotee
Greetings, This message is an automated, unofficial publication of vote results. Official results shall follow, sent in by the vote taker, namely Debian Project Secretary This email is just a convenience for the impatient. I remain, gentle folks, Your humble servant, De

Re: increasing maximum ctte size

2014-11-18 Thread Neil McGovern
> Even if it were as ready, I wonder if it wouldn't be better to have a > separate GR. Voting once instead of twice is nice for everyone, but > conflating two separate decisions in a single GR has been proven to be > unwise in the past. And I'm especially wary of doing so with a > constitutional c

Unofficial voting: systemd in Debian

2014-11-18 Thread Dragan FOSS
Given that many contributors and loyal Debian users did not get a chance to vote on the controversial introduction of systemd in Debian, we believe that such a possibility must exist, albeit unofficially. http://www.foss.rs/topic/2992-voting-about-systemd/#entry48202 Therefore, we invite you to

Unofficial voting: systemd in Debian

2014-11-18 Thread Dragan FOSS
Given that many contributors and loyal Debian users did not get a chance to vote on the controversial introduction of systemd in Debian, we believe that such a possibility must exist, albeit unofficially. http://www.foss.rs/topic/2992-voting-about-systemd/#entry48202 Therefore, we invite you t

SystemD people berating Bruce Perens. It is cold in non-systemd space

2014-11-18 Thread Hanover Shriver
*(See: Systemd people being assholes to Bruce Perens https://lwn.net/Articles/620879/ ) Synth and organ in the cold infinite vastness. As if abandoned. Seeing bright lights, but feeling no warmth. Kind of like what old-guard Free/Opensource contributors feel from the SystemD coupists in the space

Re: increasing maximum ctte size

2014-11-18 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 19 novembre 2014, 00.12:27 Neil McGovern a écrit : > > Even if it were as ready, I wonder if it wouldn't be better to have > > a > > separate GR. Voting once instead of twice is nice for everyone, but > > conflating two separate decisions in a single GR has been proven to > > be unwise