On 18/10/14 at 04:14 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Thanks a lot for your analysis, Lucas. I find it _very_ helpful!
>
> Quoting Lucas Nussbaum (2014-10-17 22:23:14)
> > Q2: support for alternative init systems as PID 1
> > =
> > A2.1: packages MU
Le Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:37:19PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs a écrit :
>
> Charles Plessy:
> > ---
> > The Debian project asks its members to be more considerate when proposing
> > General Resolutions, and in particular to take
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 09:14:06PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> So let's just assume for now that I would come to the same conclusion.
When do you think you'll do an authoritative assessment of this matter?
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On Fri, October 17, 2014 19:42, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 01:44:06PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 09:44:16AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>> > I am therefore bringing forward an alternative proposal
>>
>> Recieved, and verified. Note, this has been propo
Dear fellow Developers,
I would like to propose the following amendment proposal,
and I hereby call for seconds.
** Begin Alternative Proposal **
0. Rationale
Debian has decided (via the Technical Committee) to change its
default init system for the next release. The Technical Committee
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 11:40:49AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 09:14:06PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > So let's just assume for now that I would come to the same conclusion.
>
> When do you think you'll do an authoritative assessment of this matter?
I did have to c
Hi,
On Samstag, 18. Oktober 2014, Luca Falavigna wrote:
> ** Begin Alternative Proposal **
>
> 0. Rationale
>
> Debian has decided (via the Technical Committee) to change its
> default init system for the next release. The Technical Committee
> decided not to decide about the question of
* Luca Falavigna [2014-10-18 12:21:18 +0200]:
> Dear fellow Developers,
>
> I would like to propose the following amendment proposal,
> and I hereby call for seconds.
>
> ** Begin Alternative Proposal **
>
> [snip]
>
> 2. Specific init systems as PID 1
>
> Debian packages may require a spec
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:21:18PM +0200, Luca Falavigna wrote:
> ** Begin Alternative Proposal **
>
> 0. Rationale
>
> Debian has decided (via the Technical Committee) to change its
> default init system for the next release. The Technical Committee
> decided not to decide about the ques
On 10/18/2014 at 06:21 AM, Luca Falavigna wrote:
> Dear fellow Developers,
>
> I would like to propose the following amendment proposal, and I
> hereby call for seconds.
>
>
>
> ** Begin Alternative Proposal **
> 2. Specific init systems as PID 1
>
> Debian packages may require a specific in
On 18/10/14 at 12:21 +0200, Luca Falavigna wrote:
> 2. Specific init systems as PID 1
>
> Debian packages may require a specific init system to be executed
> as PID 1 if their maintainers consider this a requisite for its proper
> operation by clearly mark this in package descriptions and/or
Hi,
Thank you for your feedback!
2014-10-18 13:50 GMT+02:00 The Wanderer :
> Imagine that the maintainer of package foo decides, as they are entitled
> to do under this proposal, that 'foo requires upstart for proper
> operation' (choosing upstart just as an example here), and adds a
> dependency
Hi Lucas,
Thank you for your feedback!
2014-10-18 14:13 GMT+02:00 Lucas Nussbaum :
> 1) packages may require the default init system if:
> - their maintainer consider this a prerequisite for its proper operation
> - no patches or other derived works exist in order to support other init
> system
Hi,
Charles Plessy:
> This is why I am proposing this amendement, to say: “this GR was a bad idea,
> please do not do it again”.
>
I would not regard it as an amendment, but as a separate alternative option
on the ballot. If I were you, I'd add another paragraph, like
>> Regarding the subject of
Hi Luca,
On 18/10/14 at 15:53 +0200, Luca Falavigna wrote:
> Hi Lucas,
>
> Thank you for your feedback!
>
> 2014-10-18 14:13 GMT+02:00 Lucas Nussbaum :
> > 1) packages may require the default init system if:
> > - their maintainer consider this a prerequisite for its proper operation
> > - no pa
Hi,
Lucas Nussbaum:
> While I understand your concerns, I think that it is highly unlikely
> that we will decide to change the default init system to something that
> would break existing packages without a known reasonable way to fix
> them.
>
Exactly.
We decided to change our (default) init sy
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:21:18PM +0200, Luca Falavigna wrote:
> ** Begin Alternative Proposal **
>
> 0. Rationale
>
> Debian has decided (via the Technical Committee) to change its
> default init system for the next release. The Technical Committee
> decided not to decide about the ques
Hi Luca,
On 18.10.2014 12:21, Luca Falavigna wrote:
> ** Begin Alternative Proposal **
>
> 0. Rationale
>
> Debian has decided (via the Technical Committee) to change its
> default init system for the next release. The Technical Committee
> decided not to decide about the question of "co
Hi.
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:21:18PM +0200, Luca Falavigna wrote:
> ** Begin Alternative Proposal **
>
> 0. Rationale
>
> Debian has decided (via the Technical Committee) to change its
> default init system for the next release. The Technical Committee
> decided not to decide about the
❦ 18 octobre 2014 12:21 +0200, Luca Falavigna :
> Dear fellow Developers,
>
> I would like to propose the following amendment proposal,
> and I hereby call for seconds.
>
>
>
> ** Begin Alternative Proposal **
[...]
Seconded.
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Luca Falavigna writes:
> 2. Specific init systems as PID 1
>
> Debian packages may require a specific init system to be executed
> as PID 1 if their maintainers consider this a requisite for its proper
> operation by clearly mark this in package descriptions and/or
> by adding dependencies
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:00 AM, Simon Richter wrote:
> The technical shortcomings of systemd are the smaller problem here. The
> way I've been treated (stopping short of directly accusing me to
> actively look for problems to complain about) whenever I was raising a
> technical issue suggests to
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