Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-25 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 04:14:41AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 09:58:14AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > In that case, I think that the project should decide via using this or that > > system (“vote with the feet”). For the packages where init scripts are a > > lim

Proposed amendment (was: Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian)

2014-01-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 08:20:35PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 04:14:41AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 09:58:14AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > > In that case, I think that the project should decide via using this or > > > that > > > sy

Re: Proposed amendment (was: Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian)

2014-01-25 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Samstag, 25. Januar 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > So, let me propose the following amendment, then: > > - > If this option wins, the project secretary, in the presence of at least > two other Debian Developers, will roll a dice.[...] > - > > I am looking for seconds. And no, that

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Before I forget, there's one thing I wanted to say about this: On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 01:01:44AM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: [...] > Option A [...] > Option B [...] > Option C [...] > Option D [...] > Option E [...] > Option F [...] > Option G [...] Please don't do that. If you want to propose a

Re: Proposed amendment (was: Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian)

2014-01-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 05:31:50PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Samstag, 25. Januar 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > So, let me propose the following amendment, then: > > > > - > > If this option wins, the project secretary, in the presence of at least > > two other Debian Develop

Re: Proposed amendment (was: Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian)

2014-01-25 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Sat, 2014-01-25 at 17:06:45 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 08:20:35PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > What I am saying is: > > > > Let's allow the Debian system to evolve freely: the result will not be > > breakage, but systemd as a de facto default. > > This arg

Re: Proposed amendment (was: Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian)

2014-01-25 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Samstag, 25. Januar 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > But if the technical > committee fails to make a decision, and if a GR does the same, we'd end > up with "no decision". No. __If__ that happens, we'd end up with a decision "keep the status quo, aka keep sysv as the default init system"

Re: Proposed amendment (was: Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian)

2014-01-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 05:50:47PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Sat, 2014-01-25 at 17:06:45 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: [...] > > So, let me propose the following amendment, then: > > > > - > > If this option wins, the project secretary, in the presence of at least > > two other Debian D

Re: Proposed amendment (was: Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian)

2014-01-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 05:58:57PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Samstag, 25. Januar 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > But if the technical > > committee fails to make a decision, and if a GR does the same, we'd end > > up with "no decision". > > No. __If__ that happens, we'd end up w

Re: Proposed amendment (was: Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian)

2014-01-25 Thread Guillem Jover
On Sat, 2014-01-25 at 18:15:46 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 05:50:47PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > > Ok, given what you mentioned above, your preference is not easily > > represented with the current GR draft, and I don't think this > > amendment makes much sense (at le