Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > The big goal, for me at least, and hopefully for the other participants, is an > eventual agreement on what the constitution says, or alternatively, a broadly > accepted amendment of the constitution that clarifies unclear matters and > settles t

Re: Purpose of the Constitution and the Foundation Documents

2009-01-06 Thread Matthew Vernon
Hi, > - To help voters choose, the following people should be able to >require the Secretary to quote on each GR ballot form a URL >of their choice, to be used by them for disseminating their vews on >the vote: >The Proposer of each resolution or amendment >The Project

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-06 Thread Matthew Vernon
Raphael Hertzog writes: > The GR ballot should only give the URL on vote.debian.org where you would > find links behind each proposer/seconder. Ideally those links point > directly to the debian-vote archive so that it lets people jump into > discussions directly and form their own opinion. I th

Re: Purpose of the Constitution and the Foundation Documents

2009-01-06 Thread Ean Schuessler
- "Ian Jackson" wrote: > A. De-entrenchment: this is very unlikely to achieve the required > supermajority. But it should be on the ballot anyway when > we put this mess to a vote after lenny. > B. Developers are to interpret: this is I think the only workable > option and given that we h

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-06 Thread Clint Adams
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 10:09:52AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > The constitution should really be clear so that interpretation is almost > never needed. Agreed. > We should fix the constitution so that we can leave the duty of > interpreting the constitution to the secretary. Agreed. > We ju

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-06 Thread Ron
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009, MJ Ray wrote: > Ron wrote: > > Do you really think it would have been difficult to obtain 2Q seconds > > for a resolution to recall the previous vote, and postpone it until > > some of the more obvious glitches had been better ironed out? [...] > > Yes, based on the summary

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)"): > On Tue, 06 Jan 2009, Ian Jackson wrote: > > - The Secretary should explicitly have the power to delay a GR > >vote by up to (say) two weeks for the purposes of > >

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Clint Adams writes ("Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)"): > On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 10:09:52AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > The constitution should really be clear so that interpretation is almost > > never needed. > > Agreed. >

Re: Purpose of the Constitution and the Foundation Documents

2009-01-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Matthew Vernon writes ("Re: Purpose of the Constitution and the Foundation Documents"): > [Ian Jackson:] > > - To help voters choose, the following people should be able to > >require the Secretary to quote on each GR ballot form a URL > >of their choice, to be used by them for disseminat

Re: Purpose of the Constitution and the Foundation Documents

2009-01-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Ean Schuessler writes ("Re: Purpose of the Constitution and the Foundation Documents"): > [Ian Jackson] wrote: > > A. De-entrenchment: this is very unlikely to achieve the required > > supermajority. But it should be on the ballot anyway when > > we put this mess to a vote after lenny. ... > >