On Sun, 02 Nov 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I hereby propose those two alternate options and am asking for seconds.
>
> | Option: Ask the DAM to postpone the changes
> |
> | The Debian Project, by way of a general resolution of its developers, asks
> | the Debian Account Managers to pos
Le Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 08:58:40AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I hereby propose those two alternate options and am asking for seconds.
> >
> > | Option: Ask the DAM to postpone the changes
> > |
> > | The Debian Project, by way of
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 08:48:44AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>
> No it's really not funny. I'm sick of reading ad nauseam your opinion.
Then don't read it. Me, I'm sick of reading personal attacks, but I
choose to read anyway out of responsibility.
> It
> smells like you have the truth and
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 04:49:06PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
>
> I'm just making a point that Robert assumed the project shared his views
> and proposed a GR accordingly, instead of realizing he could be wrong,
> and thought of having a different GR first.
If I'm proposing a GR, it is obviously
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:14:28PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
> Bas Wijnen wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 06:30:56PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> >> Can someone explain me why all these threads smell of gratuitous RM
> >> bashing?
> >
> > I hope I didn't take part in that. I'm very happy w
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 07:42:47PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
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> Robert Millan wrote:
> > If the project as a whole determines that the Release Team is empowered to
> > make exceptions to SC #1 as they see fit, I would accept it [1].
>
> P
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote:
> | Firmware is data that is uploaded to hardware components, not designed to be
> | run on the host CPU.
A postscript file isn't firmware simply because you can upload it to a
printer.
So, maybe slightly better:
| Firmware is data that is loaded into
Hi Peter,
As much as I respect the legitimacy of your proposal, I think it is overkill
to use a GR for that. Let me explain...
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:14:10PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote:
> By excluding such firmware from Debian we exclude
> | users that require such devices from installing
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 03:29:30PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
> For example, if you want to install Debian on an NSLU, the only difficulty is
> finding the unofficial D-I images that include non-free firmware. And even
> that can be improved. They could be linked from the main website, and
I hate complex ballots. They tend to work against the goal of a vote,
which is getting a crystal clear assessment on the opinions of the
Developers.
This vote is at 5 options already, with 2 more underway. I want to
propose, and get consensus on it, to logically split the vote in two or
three simp
* Adeodato Simó [Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:17:23 +0100]:
> I don't think we have ever had this vote, and it's about time that
> we do, *without bundling it with somebody else*.
something
--
Adeodato Simó
* Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-12 15:29]:
> For example, if you want to install Debian on an NSLU, the only
> difficulty is finding the unofficial D-I images that include
> non-free firmware. And even that can be improved. They could be
> linked from the main website, and integrated
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 04:20:33PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
>* Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-12 15:29]:
>> For example, if you want to install Debian on an NSLU, the only
>> difficulty is finding the unofficial D-I images that include
>> non-free firmware. And even that can be i
ke, 2008-11-12 kello 15:41 +, Steve McIntyre kirjoitti:
> I think I agree with the suggestion of creating a new archive section
> for firmware - packages that are acknowledged to not meet the same
> standards as main, but checked so that we know they're still legally
> shippable by default on o
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Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Absolutely. I'm looking into creating such "unofficial" CDs already as
> part of the regular builds.
> I think I agree with the suggestion of creating a new archive section
> for firmware - packages that are acknowledged to no
* Steve McIntyre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [081112 16:31]:
> I think I agree with the suggestion of creating a new archive section
> for firmware - packages that are acknowledged to not meet the same
> standards as main, but checked so that we know they're still legally
> shippable by default on official
Hi,
Well, splitting a vote into multiple ballots, with options
referring to the same outcome, is a horrendously bad idea -- since the
massive amounts of strategic voting possibilities will taint the final
result.
If you are saying we can identify different actions which are
in
- "Peter Palfrader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> c) such firmware can and should be part of our official installation media.
We've seen a trend towards organizations building on Debian as a foundation for
various special purpose distributions. Debian adds a lot of value as a starting
point
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:14:10PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote:
> I so didn't want to get into this discussion, but here goes anyway.
>
> I'm considering formally proposing this GR (option):
>
> | Firmware is data that is uploaded to hardware components, not designed to be
> | run on the ho
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 01:11:27PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > I therefore invite the people who like it to sponsor it by the end of the
> > week.
> Can you/someone give a msgid/url to that proposal please?!
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... but I believe it has just reached the needed 5 se
Hi Charles,
On Wednesday 12 November 2008 04:38, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Lucas' amendment has only 4 sponsors, so technically I can start to call
> for a vote. My position about this amendment is that if it can not get
> enough sponsors, it does not has chances to win, and as I would prefer that
>
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Hi,
I second Manoj's proposal as quoted below.
Cheers,
Bernd
> ,[ Proposal 5: allow Lenny to release with firmware blobs ]
> | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software
> | community (Social Contract #4);
> |
>
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 04:17:23PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> This vote is at 5 options already, with 2 more underway. I want to
> propose, and get consensus on it, to logically split the vote in two or
> three simple ballots, one for each of the orthogonal issues at hand.
FWIW, I'm in favor of
On Wed, Nov 12 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 04:17:23PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
>> This vote is at 5 options already, with 2 more underway. I want to
>> propose, and get consensus on it, to logically split the vote in two or
>> three simple ballots, one for each of
I so didn't want to get into this discussion, but here goes anyway.
I'm considering formally proposing this GR (option):
| Firmware is data that is uploaded to hardware components, not designed to be
| run on the host CPU. Often this firmware is already required at install time
| in order to use
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote:
> | Firmware is data that is uploaded to hardware components, not designed to be
> | run on the host CPU. Often this firmware is already required at install
> time
> | in order to use network or storage devices.
Thanks for this proposal, I'd support
- "Johannes Wiedersich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would propose to create a new section of the archive, called 'sourceless'
> or such.
> Stuff within this archive doesn't have full sources. It is legally
> distributable and
> follows the DFSG with the only exception of missing sources.
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 01:22:14PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 01:11:27PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > > I therefore invite the people who like it to sponsor it by the end of the
> > > week.
> > Can you/someone give a msgid/url to that proposal please?!
>
> Messag
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> I hate complex ballots. They tend to work against the goal of a
> vote, which is getting a crystal clear assessment on the opinions of
> the Developers.
The goal of a vote is the ranking of options; this doesn't necessarily
coincide with a clear assessme
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