Nacho Barrientos Arias wrote:
> > It appears to me that the DM concept as sketched in the GR is mainly
> > meant to let NMs upload earlier, i.e. it tries to fix the fact that
> > front-desk or DAM approval take too long. I think the fix for that is
> > just to find someone besides Joerg to also rea
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 12:57:38AM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote:
> Hi,
Hey,
> It appears to me that the DM concept as sketched in the GR is mainly
> meant to let NMs upload earlier, i.e. it tries to fix the fact that
> front-desk or DAM approval take too long. I think the fix for that is
> just to
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 10:12:02AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Nacho Barrientos Arias wrote:
> > > It appears to me that the DM concept as sketched in the GR is mainly
> > > meant to let NMs upload earlier, i.e. it tries to fix the fact that
> > > front-desk or DAM approval take too long. I thin
On Thursday 26 July 2007 16:11, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> [2] The NM process rejects some people who have the technical abilities to
> maintain packages but who are not in sync with the rest of the community.
> I fail to see why we should refuse their technical contribution.
You assess that there a
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> - Not everybody deserves to be DD. [2]
> [2] The NM process rejects some people who have the technical abilities to
> maintain packages but who are not in sync with the rest of the community.
> I fail to see why we should refuse their technical contribution. The NM
> proce
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:40:29 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> This is exactly what I don't like in the proposal. I think I already
> said that, but DM is about pet packages, while Debian as a whole is
> advocating Team work, Alioth, and co-maintenance. Something here feels
> wrong and fishy.
I d
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:48:57PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:40:29 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>
> > This is exactly what I don't like in the proposal. I think I already
> > said that, but DM is about pet packages, while Debian as a whole is
> > advocating Team wor
gregor herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I was not thinking about those "pet packages" but about existing
> packages that are maintained by existing teams where now non-DDs already
> do part of the work but then always have to bother a DD when it comes to
> uploading.
> Maybe I'm wrong but I
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 21:48 +0200, gregor herrmann a écrit :
> I don't see a contradiction here; on the contrary I can imagine that
> DMs take some work off the shoulders of DDs in teams.
I fail to see how. More pet packages mean more work for transitions, for
the release team, for other main
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > maintained by someone who isn't keeping up with Debian-wide changes, and
>
> Why that ? I expect all DM to be subscribed to d-d-a and would suggest a
> check (or even some enforcement with auto-subscription if we really want).
Why is this not written in the GR but the u
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Yeah, I think I agree with this. I don't see how being a Debian
> Maintainer is any less being associated with the project than being a
> Debian Developer, and if someone wants to sacrifice their DD rights to
> make a point, well, having to then do things
Hello,
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > - Not everybody deserves to be DD. [2]
>
> > [2] The NM process rejects some people who have the technical abilities to
> > maintain packages but who are not in sync with the rest of the community.
> > I fail to see wh
Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I still lack the reason why someone would not be DD for political
> reasons _and_ wanting to help improving Debian at the same time. Yes I
> know about Matthew, he can do whatever he likes, but I don't really care
> about him being a diva. I disagree
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 06:34:17PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > If someone doesn't want to be a DD because the NM process is broken
>
> I haven't said that. Previous discussions gave examples of people who don't
> want to stay DD for political re
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> If someone doesn't want to be a DD because the NM process is broken
I haven't said that. Previous discussions gave examples of people who don't
want to stay DD for political reasons. For similar concerns some don't
want to become DD.
You have the rig
Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 16:20 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit :
> > But what if this results in higher quality packages than the one of
> > overly busy DDs (because the maintainers are very focused on their pet
> > packages)? Did you think of this consequence?
>
> If so
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 16:20 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit :
> But what if this results in higher quality packages than the one of
> overly busy DDs (because the maintainers are very focused on their pet
> packages)? Did you think of this consequence?
If someone can make such packages, he sho
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> It's not always easy to keep the same sponsor. I might have time to review
> some package once, it doesn't mean that I want to sponsor it for a long
> time, in particular if I don't use the package myself (which is often
> the case nowadays).
So are
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 15:49:52 +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> > You do realize that the DM proposal solves other problems than just
> > the "it takes forever for a qualified NM to get upload rights", too?
>
> Not really, no.
- Not everybody wants to be
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 15:49:52 +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> Nacho Barrientos Arias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > The above is the ideal situation, but if it is not possible then the
> > DM starts making sense and I will support it.
>
> You do realize that the DM proposal solves other problem
Nacho Barrientos Arias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The above is the ideal situation, but if it is not possible then the
> DM starts making sense and I will support it.
You do realize that the DM proposal solves other problems than just
the "it takes forever for a qualified NM to get upload right
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 07:44:19PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 07:16:34PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > Some people are not technically good enough to be full DD (at least as
> > long as we'll have the same set of Task&Skills checks).
> This is wrong in so many ways.
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 18:34 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > If someone doesn't want to be a DD because the NM process is broken
>
> I haven't said that. Previous discussions gave examples of people who don't
> want to stay DD for political r
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> maintained by someone who isn't keeping up with Debian-wide changes, and
> >
> > Why that ? I expect all DM to be subscribed to d-d-a and would suggest a
> > check (or even some enforcement with auto-subs
Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> My primary worry about this proposal is that it leads to an increasing
>> number of packages in the archive that are someone's pet project,
> Every useful software is the pet project of someone. :-)
> DM do
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 07:44:19PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> The NM process is far more flexible than you seem to think.
Actually not really, but _that_ is indeed what needs to be fixed,
enhanced, made better.
--
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> On Thursday 26 July 2007 16:11, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > [2] The NM process rejects some people who have the technical abilities to
> > maintain packages but who are not in sync with the rest of the community.
> > I fail to see why we should refuse th
Nacho Barrientos Arias wrote:
> > Nacho Barrientos Arias wrote:
> > > > It appears to me that the DM concept as sketched in the GR is mainly
> > > > meant to let NMs upload earlier, i.e. it tries to fix the fact that
> > > > front-desk or DAM approval take too long. I think the fix for that is
> >
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 17:52 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit :
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > > If someone can make such packages, he should become a DD, full stop.
> > > Don't bother replying if you don't read the thread.
> > Thanks for your concern, but I have read the whol
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> If someone can make such packages, he should become a DD, full stop.
Don't bother replying if you don't read the thread.
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 06:17:39PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Then we should first take step one and adjust the NM process before
> we should go to step n which would be the introduction of DM.
So why aren't you doing that?
Cheers,
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Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Reading d-d-a isn't enough to keep up with everything that's happening
>> in the Project, and you know it.
>
> But if it's enough for DD, it should be enough for DM. We have many DD who
It's *not* enough for DDs.
> are following d-d-a only and for th
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> about yet. Yes, even the "upstream wants to package his stuff", I'm not
> sure we want to have tuomov-like people arguing with the release team
> about the silliness of stable releases, and for most of the upstreams,
> there is what, 10 uploads a year ?
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 16:30 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit :
> So are you saying that an unexpected consequence of the Debian
> maintainers uploading their packages alone could be that the Debian
> sponsors would have to look for different packages to sponsor?
Yay, even more crap in the archiv
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 17:03 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit :
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > If someone can make such packages, he should become a DD, full stop.
>
> Don't bother replying if you don't read the thread.
Thanks for your concern, but I have read the whole thread
Hi,
* Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-26 15:07]:
> Christoph Berg wrote:
> > IMHO the current process with sponsors reviewing and uploading
> > packages has proven to work nicely, i.e. the amount of broken packages
> > uploaded is not too high. Most of the perceived problems with this
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:12:46PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> And so on. The thread you point is an excellent proof of the fact that
> you seem to be quite alone in your point. Honnestly, if you don't like
> the project where it's going, then just leave, [...]
Uh, isn't Debian meant to be acc
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 19:07 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
> Well, for the record, I haven't appreciated Loïc's rhetorical questions.
> But he clearly signed "rhetorical" and only Joss felt the need to fell in
> the trap of replying.
What exactly makes you think this wasn't only intentional
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Nico Golde wrote:
> > Actually, I've had a lot of trouble finding sponsors for any of my packages,
> > despite requesting them multiple times on debian-mentors and more
> > package-specific lists. For example, libdbus-java hasn't been sponsored
> > since
> > December, despite
Christoph Berg wrote:
> IMHO the current process with sponsors reviewing and uploading
> packages has proven to work nicely, i.e. the amount of broken packages
> uploaded is not too high. Most of the perceived problems with this
> process stem from the fact that most of the packages offered on
> de
Le Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 07:53:09PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> gregor herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I was not thinking about those "pet packages" but about existing
> > packages that are maintained by existing teams where now non-DDs already
> > do part of the work but then always
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> - Not everybody wants to be DD. [1]
> - Not everybody deserves to be DD. [2]
> - Everybody who is able to properly maintain a package according to our
> rules should have the possibility to maintain that package.
But what if this results in higher
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > If someone can make such packages, he should become a DD, full stop.
> > Don't bother replying if you don't read the thread.
> Thanks for your concern, but I have read the whole thread. Sorry if my
> opinions don't fit with your imagination.
To
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:52:15AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > And I have also issues with every other use case that have been talked
> > about yet. Yes, even the "upstream wants to package his stuff", I'm not
> > sure we want to have tuomov-like p
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 07:16:34PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > > - Not everybody deserves to be DD. [2]
> >
> > > [2] The NM process rejects some people who have the technical abilities to
> > > maintain pack
Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> maintained by someone who isn't keeping up with Debian-wide changes, and
>
> Why that ? I expect all DM to be subscribed to d-d-a and would suggest a
> check (or even some enforcement with auto-subscription if we really want).
Reading d-d-a isn't enou
Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I still lack the reason why someone would not be DD for political
> reasons _and_ wanting to help improving Debian at the same time.
For an example and reasoning, please see the subthread starting with
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2007/06/msg0
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:25:24PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I still lack the reason why someone would not be DD for political
> > reasons _and_ wanting to help improving Debian at the same time.
>
> For an example and reasoning, please see the
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:27:12 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > I don't see a contradiction here; on the contrary I can imagine that
> > DMs take some work off the shoulders of DDs in teams.
> I fail to see how. More pet packages mean more work
I was not thinking about those "pet packages" but a
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Reading d-d-a isn't enough to keep up with everything that's happening
> >> in the Project, and you know it.
> >
> > But if it's enough for DD, it should be enough for DM. We have many DD who
>
> It's *n
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 11:00:14PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> I agree as well, but it's all that we require DDs to subscribe to.
> [That said, we really should work to make d-d-a enough; decisions that
> and transitions that affect multiple packages should be announced
> there.]
> Frankly, ther
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