Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2007-02-10, Anthony Towns wrote: > Personally, I don't like either of the checks, but I've seen zero > effort from Aurelian and friends to demonstrate they can be trusted, if we have DDs that can't be trusted, don't we have major problem? AJ: if you really mean they are untrusted, please star

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Julien Danjou
At 1171076719 time_t, Anthony Towns wrote: > Personally, I don't like either of the checks, but I've seen zero > effort from Aurelian and friends to demonstrate they can be trusted, > and this GR just seems to be continuing the whole adversarial approach, > so as far as I'm concerned the last sente

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Frank Küster
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The error rate on requeue requests that reach me is significant, even from > people who are well-informed and involved in the process (e.g., fellow > release-team members). Maybe they're less cautious because they know I vet > all requests, but I would

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Frank Küster
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070210 04:44]: >> However, a buildd >> operator using qemu is not responsible for bugs filed on the packages >> created on his set up -- He is not performing an NMU. > > I disagree on this statement. If I e.g. up

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 10:34:34AM +0100, Julien Danjou wrote: > At 1171076719 time_t, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Personally, I don't like either of the checks, but I've seen zero > > effort from Aurelian and friends to demonstrate they can be trusted, > > and this GR just seems to be continuing the

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Clint Adams
> http://www.beyondintractability.org/essay/trust_building/ > > Might be a good start. I'm sure Google can find you other things. > > Implying that the people whom you'd like to trust you are unreasonable > probably isn't a good start. Great. I don't trust you to do the right thing as DPL. I d

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 15:27 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > Heck, before m68k was dropped as a factor in package propagation into > > testing, I was routinely finding bogus dep-waits set by the m68k buildd > > maintainers themselves, and that's only

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 03:27:25PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The error rate on requeue requests that reach me is significant, even from > > people who are well-informed and involved in the process (e.g., fellow > > release-team members). Maybe th

Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Aigars Mahinovs (resent)

2007-02-10 Thread bounce-debian-vote=archive=mail-archive . com
I hereby nominate myself for the position of Debian Project Leader in the DPL elections of 2007. (Sending this again usind a proper email client as GMail messed up the text in the first email and a message to the blog is not enough.) -- Best regards, Aigars Mahinovsmailto:[EMAIL PROTE

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:00:28 -0500, Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> http://www.beyondintractability.org/essay/trust_building/> >> Might be a good start. I'm sure Google can find you other things. That's a pretty decent essay. I found myself mostly in agreement. >> Implying t

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Aigars Mahinovs (resent)

2007-02-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach <> [2007.02.10.1522 +]: > I hereby nominate myself for the position of Debian Project Leader in > the DPL elections of 2007. Are you trying to tell us something by leaving out the From header? -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f.

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Debian Project Secretary
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:41:29 -0700, Wesley J Landaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said, in: Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Seconded. I can not verify the signature on this message. manoj Bad signature from F0A98A4C4CD6E3D2 Wesley J. Landaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- You get what you

New General resolution proposed

2007-02-10 Thread Debian Project Secretary
Hi, This is a notification of a general resolution proposed on the debian-vote mailing list. On the 8th of February, in a message with Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> proposed: --- The Debian proje

BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
e samedi 10 février 2007 à 13:05 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit : > Personally, I don't like either of the checks, but I've seen zero > effort from Aurelian and friends to demonstrate they can be trusted, -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' W

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Clint Adams
> It is actually pretty relevant to your packages. I do not > expect you to add co-maintainers to zsh packages whom you do not > trust. It is pretty irrelevant to areas you are not responsible > for. Debian infrastructure and portions thereof are not analogous to packages. As many ha

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Julien BLACHE
Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Debian infrastructure and portions thereof are not analogous to > packages. As many have pointed out already, packages can be NMUed. Note that if you can get SPI to transfer the debian.org zone to other DNS servers than the current ones, you can NMU the i

Registration at BBS plethysmography

2007-02-10 Thread Reinaldo
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Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:02:57AM +, Stephen Gran wrote: > I am sure qemu is very good at what it does, but I do not have faith > that it can stand in for a real CPU in all the corner cases. If Do you think it's likely that it can boot the kernel and run the build environment without crashin

sparc uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 08:23:54AM -0700, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > If I had a sparc machine, I'd probably upload my packages as > src+sparc every once in a while just for fun and profit. I'd be happy to give you access to a sparc machine just for that purpose. Tell me what build dependencies y

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Andreas Barth
* Julien BLACHE ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070210 21:17]: > Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Debian infrastructure and portions thereof are not analogous to > > packages. As many have pointed out already, packages can be NMUed. > > Note that if you can get SPI to transfer the debian.org zo

Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Second call for nominations

2007-02-10 Thread Debian Project Secretary
Hi, We are one week into the nomination period for candidates for the position of the Debian Project Leader. According to the constitution (5.2. Appointment), project leader elections should begin "nine weeks before the leadership post becomes vacant, or (if it is too late alre

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-10 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Personally, I don't like either of the checks, but I've seen zero >> effort from Aurelian and friends to demonstrate they can be trusted, Quoting partial sentences without disclosing the original source is what usually only the yellow press does. I d

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 03:27:25PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > - it's not easy to see what's going on there, and why. For example, I > don't know where I can read what dep-wait means and why and how a > package is put in this state. http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/wanna-build-states#dep-w