Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007, Loïc Minier wrote: > I am not sure you got my last two arguments, or you're distorting them > here: I'm not discussing the current or best upload rights, I would > certainly prefer it if everybody could upload arm binaries; what I'm > pointing at is that this GR might com

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Julien BLACHE
Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I think you got it backwards, it seems to me to be about reinstating > some developers' rights. Unless unilaterally preventing developers from > doing something that has always be possible in Debian is considered a > right, of course. Ah, we'll need ano

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Julien Danjou
At 1171012211 time_t, Julien BLACHE wrote: > Ah, we'll need another GR to be able to log into *all* debian hosts > again, then. Because that's something that has always been possible in > the past, until a couple of years ago. Seconded. Cheers, -- Julien Danjou .''`. Debian Developer : :' : htt

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Mark Brown
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 10:10:11AM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: > Ah, we'll need another GR to be able to log into *all* debian hosts > again, then. Because that's something that has always been possible in > the past, until a couple of years ago. I don't recall murphy being open access in the nin

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The Debian project resolves that Debian developers allowed to perform > combined source and binary packages uploads should be allowed to perform > binary-only packages uploads for the same set of architectures. The use case I imagine at this point is t

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 01:52:20PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The Debian project resolves that Debian developers allowed to perform > > combined source and binary packages uploads should be allowed to perform > > binary-only packages uploads f

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 02:44:37PM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > The security implications of those practices should be evident to anyone. This is (sorry) bullshit. Binary only uploads are _not_ less secure than binary+source ones. Having a source side by side with the binary module do

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Julien Danjou
At 1171031848 time_t, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > At no stage the fact that the upload is not sourceless helped. src+bin > uploads is just a moral contract from the uploader that he did not faked > the build and tested it. a _moral_ constraint, not a technical one. OMG, so we need a moral-ctte. On

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 03:37:28PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 02:44:37PM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > > The security implications of those practices should be evident to anyone. > > This is (sorry) bullshit. Binary only uploads are _not_ less secure > than

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Clint Adams
> I don't recall murphy being open access in the nine years or so I've > been a DD. Did you never see a problem with that? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Friday 09 February 2007 05:52, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > The use case I imagine at this point is that a maintainer uploads a > library package src+bin (e.g. src+amd64) for his private arch, and after > weeks he notices, that it still has not been built on e.g. sparc yet. So > he decides to start

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Frank Küster
"Francesco P. Lovergine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 03:37:28PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 02:44:37PM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: >> > The security implications of those practices should be evident to anyone. >> >> This is (sorry)

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 03:55:32PM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 03:37:28PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 02:44:37PM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > > > The security implications of those practices should be evident to anyone. > >

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 08:23:54AM -0700, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > On Friday 09 February 2007 05:52, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > > The use case I imagine at this point is that a maintainer uploads a > > library package src+bin (e.g. src+amd64) for his private arch, and after > > weeks he notices,

Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Aigars Mahinovs

2007-02-09 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
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Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 04:35:24PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One could also ask the maintainer to upload (or send to the right > email address) the buildd logs of their build if that's really a > problem. Note that could be a good thing anyway, as it could help to > spo

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Andreas Barth
* Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070209 19:00]: > On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 04:35:24PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > One could also ask the maintainer to upload (or send to the right > > email address) the buildd logs of their build if that's really a > > problem. Note

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 08:19:07PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > That sounds like a good idea anyways. Perhaps we can start with "be an > optional part" for starters, and see how it performs. Déjà vu. What happened the last time when you suggested (and implemented) an optional part in a Debian dat

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 04:33:14PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > * security (I _really_ think it's nonsense, as it's not less secure > than the usual DD's uploads, which I tried to prove) ; Maybe "security" in this context means "build can be reproduced by our official buildd network and w

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Pierre Habouzit said: > > I also addressed that part in my mail. The arguments I've read against > "rogue" buildds are threefold: > * security (I _really_ think it's nonsense, as it's not less secure > than the usual DD's uploads, which I tried to prove) ; > >

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:02:57AM +, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Pierre Habouzit said: > > > > I also addressed that part in my mail. The arguments I've read against > > "rogue" buildds are threefold: > > * security (I _really_ think it's nonsense, as it's not less

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Feb 9, 2007 at 17:17:10 +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 04:33:14PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > * security (I _really_ think it's nonsense, as it's not less secure > > than the usual DD's uploads, which I tried to prove) ; > > Maybe "security" in this con

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007, Julien Cristau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 9, 2007 at 17:17:10 +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > > Maybe "security" in this context means "build can be reproduced by our > > official buildd network and we are therefore sure our security team can > > issue security up

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Friday 09 February 2007 17:02, Stephen Gran wrote: > I am sure qemu is very good at what it does, but I do not have faith > that it can stand in for a real CPU in all the corner cases. If > Aurelien builds a java package that had previously FTBFS'd, do we have > any guarantee that it will build

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Wesley J. Landaker said: > On Friday 09 February 2007 17:02, Stephen Gran wrote: > > I am sure qemu is very good at what it does, but I do not have faith > > that it can stand in for a real CPU in all the corner cases. If > > Aurelien builds a java package that had pre

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 01:24:21AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > I agree that the way the restriction was implemented was odd, but I can > > see the point of it. I doubt that the occasional one off binNMU is > > going to have very much affect on the quality of the archive overall, > > but I do

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Clint Adams
> FWIW, I got w-b access after demonstrating that I knew what needed done, > regularly feeding batches of give-back requests to Ryan and James for builds > that were release priorities/had obviously gone missing/had long-standing > build problems that had been resolved, and generally not trying to

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 01:24:21AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > One thing that strikes me is that in all of the emails so far, > > everyone is ignoring that this whole thing started because Aurelien > > decided to start autobuilding packages in qemu. > That's not what justified the alpha pro

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:16:38 -0700, Wesley J Landaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Friday 09 February 2007 17:02, Stephen Gran wrote: >> I am sure qemu is very good at what it does, but I do not have >> faith that it can stand in for a real CPU in all the corner cases. >> If Aurelien builds a ja

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Andreas Barth
* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070210 04:44]: > However, a buildd > operator using qemu is not responsible for bugs filed on the packages > created on his set up -- He is not performing an NMU. I disagree on this statement. If I e.g. upload an package to unstable linking to an experime