Re: Proposal - Defer discussion about SC and firmware until after the Etch release

2006-09-12 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 01:47:18AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > (d) Following the release of etch, the Debian Project as a whole shall > reopen the question of which commitments should be codified in the > project's Social Contract. This shall include both an online > consu

Re: Proposal - Defer discussion about SC and firmware until after the Etch release

2006-09-12 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 01:47:18AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > Some statistics to give an indication (this is based on my local mailbox > of d-vote for Aug/Sept for subjects containing "source" or "firmware" with > only some irrelevant subthreads deleted). > In total 465 posts from approximately 80 d

Re: Draft ballot for the assets constitutional GR

2006-09-12 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Apparently, the proposer and the secretary both felt that the > form on the ballot was OK -- or do you have a better idea what the > proposer of the GR wanted? [...] If only the proposer and secretary need to be happy with the ballot,

Re: kernel firmwares: GR proposal

2006-09-12 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 02:16:26AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > I asked you this question before privately and haven't seen an answer. You > say below "So we propose this GR:"; does that mean that everything up to > that is rationale, and not part of the text that developers will be voti

Re: Proposal - Defer discussion about SC and firmware until after the Etchrelease

2006-09-12 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 08:59:59PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > is to drop support (in whole or in part) for > Broadcom NX2, Sun Cassini(+), Intel PRO/100 (although some of those > chips are also supported by the unaffected eepro100 driver), eepro100 is scheduled for removal upstream

Re: Proposal - Defer discussion about SC and firmware until after the Etch release

2006-09-12 Thread MJ Ray
Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > to the removal from the distribution (main) of "software" that could be Please, drop the scare quotes on software. > [...] i. ensure that the Debian community has a good understanding >of the technical and legal issues that preven

Re: Proposal - Defer discussion about SC and firmware until after the Etch release

2006-09-12 Thread Frank Küster
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 01:47:18AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: >> There are also indications that a significant group of people within the >> project feels that the current Social Contract does not meet the best >> interests of the project in that the curren

Re: Proposal - Defer discussion about SC and firmware until after the Etch release

2006-09-12 Thread Marco d'Itri
With this message I formally second Frans Pop's proposed resolution from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Proposal - Defer discussion about SC and firmware until after the Etch release

2006-09-12 Thread Joey Hess
MJ Ray wrote: > Which brings me to a related point: some participants in this discussion > have been poor at mentioning vital roles they hold, or making it clear > what hat(s) they are wearing. Sorry to break it to people, but 'see > shy jo' is not that famous yet that it makes everyone remember '

sorry

2006-09-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
I want to issue a somewhat blanket apology; I'm trying to get better, but I do so only in fits and starts. In my posts about the controversial etch/drivers/freeness issue, I crossed the line more than once into unhelpful and unreflective posts. I am sorry, and if you were hurt or offended by the