On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:45:44AM +0100, Mohammed Adnène Trojette wrote:
> I read in Anthony's mail[0]:
>
> "ftpmaster work requires a different set of skills to release management
> though, and frankly Joey's already got enough stuff to do, without
> worrying about the nuts and bolts of the dak
* Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-09 20:39:20]:
> Last November, you and the DPL team wanted to propose a GR that would
> have forcibly made everyone in a position of authority a formal
> delegate, and stated that you had replacements ready if they were
> unwilling to comply.
The G
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:03:47PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Are bruckner and voltaire overloaded or do they lack services the developers
> > need?
> The release team has called for a multi-arch implementation to support
> powerpc64 userland over the biarch situation. This calls for a machine
Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 10:36:42AM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> >1. The process "is intended as a last resort" - what steps would
> > you take before initiating or supporting it yourself?
>
> I would need to convince myself of two things:
> * that the project as a
Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> pe, 2006-03-10 kello 02:52 +, MJ Ray kirjoitti:
> > Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Do you believe that anyone in Debian has ever been discriminated against
> > > for socio-religious views that had no impact on their ability to work in
> > > the
Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-09 20:39:20]:
>> 1) You now appear less willing to do so. What has changed?
>
> The GR was intendet to clarify that point.
> However, in a small oppinion poll I found that this apparently
> was already cle
Morio Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Do you believe that anyone in Debian has ever been discriminated against
>> for socio-religious views that had no impact on their ability to work in
>> the project?
>
> Given the number of people in Debian, it seems pr
Hi,
* Matthew Garrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060310 14:42]:
> [...]
You reiterate things where Andreas clearly stated that you have
over-interpreted him.
What is the purpose of this? Do you have some personal issues with
Andreas Schuldei? Are you too unhappy that you didn't suceed in last
years el
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> * Matthew Garrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060310 14:42]:
>> [...]
>
> You reiterate things where Andreas clearly stated that you have
> over-interpreted him.
No. I reiterate things where Andreas has given misleading answers to
direct questions (he
* Matthew Garrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060310 16:25]:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * Matthew Garrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060310 14:42]:
> >> [...]
> >
> > You reiterate things where Andreas clearly stated that you have
> > over-interpreted him.
> No. I reiterate things where An
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Matthew Garrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060310 16:25]:
>> No. I reiterate things where Andreas has given misleading answers to
>> direct questions (he repeatedly denies wanting to replace people, but
>> attempted to get at least one person to take over el
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 08:35:30PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:45:44AM +0100, Mohammed Adn?ne Trojette wrote:
> > I read in Anthony's mail[0]:
> > "ftpmaster work requires a different set of skills to release management
> > though, and frankly Joey's already got enough
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 05:44:05PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> The first was Chip Salzenburg's request for a key update, subsequent
> flaming over lack of responsiveness, and eventual resignation. AIUI,
> Chip happened to make the request when James was particularly busy,
> including increasingly
Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Last November, you and the DPL team wanted to propose a GR that would
> have forcibly made everyone in a position of authority a formal
> delegate, and stated that you had replacements ready if they were
> unwilling to comply.
It's been pointed out
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 02:00:22AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 04:53:40PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote:
At what point does a Debian Developer's behavior cross the line from
annoying to destructive? At what point should the Developer be
removed from the project (key remov
also sprach Ted Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.10.1855 +0100]:
> Please stop pussy-footing around the question and tell us what your
> criteria are. Do you have some "damaging behavior" in mind? Be
> explicit. Use some concrete examples. Leave nothing to our
> imaginations. What actions
If you don't want to read the rant, skip to the bottom where I volunteer
to help
Anthony Towns wrote:
>In the mail to the DPL I mentioned above, James outlined three fairly
>significant technical changes that could be implemented to make the
>job easier, and could be done by anyone, without r
Andreas, as the man in charge of organizing Debconf6, I want to know,
will you continue last years policy of allowing attendees to vote for
which talks and presentations should go in the main track?
It looks like the selection of options has already been made, yet the
voting system isn't set up y
* Ted Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-10 12:39:51]:
> Andreas, as the man in charge of organizing Debconf6, I want to know,
> will you continue last years policy of allowing attendees to vote for
> which talks and presentations should go in the main track?
Participants never voted on what wo
* Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-10 13:41:29]:
> > The GR was intendet to clarify that point.
> > However, in a small oppinion poll I found that this apparently
> > was already clear to everyone in the project. A GR would not have
> > added much value but instead created unnecessary u
Anthony Towns wrote:
> More generally, Joey's a member of DSA and as such has root on
> security-master.d.o; if he really wanted to he could maintain the dak
> install there (or an entirely different system) himself for security
I must not do that. Being a system administrator is not a green ligh
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 10:56:57PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
>Hi,
Hi Martin!
>Now my question:
>
>1.) Do you think it would be a good idea to handle debian-admin more
>openly?
Yes, where possible. I'd like to see more openness everywhere in the
project, but I would understand if _som
Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> Pigs can fly and the Security Team is changing. I like to believe
> that the DPL team had a role in that. If it worked so well for
It didn't have.
The changes were underway and in discussion independently.
> the security team, why do you think it should be impossible fo
Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-10 13:41:29]:
>> No, that doesn't make sense. Phrasing it like that makes it sound like
>> the GR was intended to have no effect, but at the time you were willing
>> to discuss the fact that it may be nec
* Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-10 15:58:15]:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * Matthew Garrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060310 16:25]:
> >> No. I reiterate things where Andreas has given misleading answers to
> >> direct questions (he repeatedly denies wanting to replac
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 08:16:34AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'd like to ask some questions to the prospecitve project leaders:
>
>1. Which are Debians top five strengths in your opinion?
People - we have lots of developers, all doing their bit
Freedom - we are focussed on Free Sof
Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > > Example of non-priviledged services include secondary web services and
> > > > > developers accessible port machines with separate accounts. As an
> > > > > aside, I think there should be more developers-accessible port
> > > > > machines.
> > > >
> > > > Why?
> > >
Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-10 15:58:15]:
>> Ok. Based on what we've discussed on IRC, you'll admit that Andreas
>> attempted to get at least one person to agree to take responsibility for
>> elmo's role as lead ftp-master without con
Hi Bill. As the packager of "ratmenu", I've had to grapple with the
menu package, which you maintain.
Bill, can you tell us the reason you chose to implement your own unique
configuration language for "menu"? Why did you choose to implement it
in C++ instead of re-using an already existing lang
* Matthew Garrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060310 16:58]:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * Matthew Garrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060310 16:25]:
> >> No. I reiterate things where Andreas has given misleading answers to
> >> direct questions (he repeatedly denies wanting to replace people
Steve McIntyre wrote:
> I'll turn the question around - what do _you_ think we're missing or
> not maintaining correctly? The services that I need are working OK,
> but I'm only one person.
I don't know of an important missing service, but I may have only
a limited view.
I'd still like to see a D
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Matthew Garrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060310 16:58]:
>> Ok. Based on what we've discussed on IRC, you'll admit that Andreas
>> attempted to get at least one person to agree to take responsibility for
>> elmo's role as lead ftp-master without consulting el
also sprach Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.10.2250 +0100]:
> > Pigs can fly and the Security Team is changing. I like to believe
> > that the DPL team had a role in that. If it worked so well for
>
> It didn't have.
>
> The changes were underway and in discussion independently.
Not
also sprach Ted Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.10.2338 +0100]:
> I admire you as a developer, but would like to learn how it is you
> arrived at the design decisions you did. I'm more of
> a traditional Unix programmer myself; C, bourne, perl, python and
> tcl are my main languages.
This ha
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 11:58:07PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Ted Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.10.2338 +0100]:
I admire you as a developer, but would like to learn how it is you
arrived at the design decisions you did. I'm more of a traditional
Unix programmer myself; C,
martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.10.2250 +0100]:
> > > Pigs can fly and the Security Team is changing. I like to believe
> > > that the DPL team had a role in that. If it worked so well for
> >
> > It didn't have.
> >
> > The changes were underway a
* Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-10 22:27:51]:
> (How many of last year's DPL team are willing to serve again with you as
> DPL?)
I dont know, really. All that I asked would like to be on my DPL
team next term. Those were Steve and Enrico.
I did not ask Joeren for obvious reasons.
also sprach Ted Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.11.0012 +0100]:
> How Bill makes technical decisions, and how he fixes his mistakes,
> is entirely relevant to his race for the DPL position.
We have a technical committee for technical decisions, and I don't
consider the menu system a mistake.
Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I did not ask Joeren for obvious reasons.
What were those obvious reasons? You and Branden stood against each
other despite agreeing to be on each other's team, so I'm curious as to
why the same isn't true this year.
--
Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL P
* Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-10 23:23:52]:
> Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I did not ask Joeren for obvious reasons.
>
> What were those obvious reasons? You and Branden stood against each
> other despite agreeing to be on each other's team, so I'm curious
Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> You said:
ITYM wrote. Any voices you heard reading debian-vote to you today
were not mine. If you can't distinguish between me and the voices
you hear reading debian-vote to you, please ask your doctor.
> >> > 2. Do you believe it would be fair to cite someon
MJ Ray wrote:
Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
You said:
ITYM wrote.
Say (said, saying, says):
2. To express in words: Say what's on your mind.
3. a. To state as one's opinion or judgment; declare: I say let's eat out.
b. To state as a determination of fact: It's hard to say w
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 02:58:04PM +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 01:16 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Uh, for one thing, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" != "DPL Team".
>
> Maybe it would have been a good idea then to publicize a point of
> contact for your team. You did not, therefo
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 09:34:34AM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
> > Changes are currently being implemented to improve the handling of
> > proposed-updates, in order to have those point releases happing more
>
> Since I'm currently running very low on time it may very well be that I
> completely
also sprach Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.11.0010 +0100]:
> > > It didn't have.
> > >
> > > The changes were underway and in discussion independently.
> >
> > Not trying to pick on anyone here, but the DPL team came into play
> > and I sparked the Oldenburg security meeting idea, an
I can't really decide between the original GR and Amendment A.
Amendment B is obviously incoherent, but this strikes a chord:
Consequently when judging whether some license is free or not, one has
to take into account what kind of restrictions are imposed and how
these restrictions fit t
On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 01:05:06AM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> That is a good
> thing since everyone who thinks he can do this alone without
> being just a figure head fools himself and the whole Debian
> project. Both he and I understood that and can provide a real
> choice to the voters.
Do
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 10:43:20PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
> I must not do that. Being a system administrator is not a green light
> for hacking in arbitrary services maintained by another team or
> person. This has been a rule for Debian admin for a long time and it
> actually grants that t
Ted Walther wrote:
> If menu is a legacy program written by someone else
It would be documented in debian/changelog.
menu (0.0) unstable; urgency=low
* initial release
-- joost witteveen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:42:09 +0100
Said changelog also documents pretty well how it gre
Ted Walther wrote:
> Why did you choose to implement it in C++ instead of re-using an
> already existing language like bourne shell, tcl, or python?
What language is apt written in anyway, and did Jason reimplement C++
too, or did he reuse menu's implementation?
--
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Ivan Kohler wrote:
> I can't really decide between the original GR and Amendment A.
> Amendment B is obviously incoherent, but this strikes a chord:
>
> Consequently when judging whether some license is free or not, one has
> to take into account what kind of restrictions
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