The role of the DPL in technical decisions

2005-03-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (following up here for now - I think it's a question that could do with more discussion than IRC really allows for) > I would like to know from the DPL candidates what is their opinion on way the > ftp-masters handle the NEW queue, and in particular how they

Re: The role of the DPL in technical decisions

2005-03-02 Thread Steve Greenland
On 02-Mar-05, 06:52 (CST), Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fundamentally, it isn't the DPLs job to make judgements about the > technical decisions a team makes. If the ftp-masters believe that the > current handling of the NEW queue is the best way of doing so, then > that's their dec

Re: The role of the DPL in technical decisions

2005-03-02 Thread David Schmitt
On Wednesday 02 March 2005 13:52, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Put simply, the constitution says that the DPL can't make technical > decisions that overrule other people. I agree with the constitution. > However, I will work to ensure that it's possible for people to find out > /why/ NEW is processed t

Re: The role of the DPL in technical decisions

2005-03-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think mosts people's current questioning of this is not about > particular decisions that the ftp-masters are making (which is > technical), but about the inability to find out what decisions are being > made, if any, and what order those decisions ar

Re: The role of the DPL in technical decisions

2005-03-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
David Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 02 March 2005 13:52, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> Put simply, the constitution says that the DPL can't make technical >> decisions that overrule other people. I agree with the constitution. >> However, I will work to ensure that it's possible for

Re: DPL election IRC Debate - Call for questions

2005-03-02 Thread Steve McIntyre
Helen wrote: > >You are welcome to either post suggested questions to this list, or to >email myself and/or Martin privately with your suggestions. If you wish >your questions to be anonymous, please email us privately and make that >clear. A commonly-acknowledged problem within Debian is communi

Re: The role of the DPL in technical decisions

2005-03-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 12:52:47PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (following up here for now - I think it's a question that could do with > more discussion than IRC really allows for) > > > I would like to know from the DPL candidates what is their opin

Re: The role of the DPL in technical decisions

2005-03-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As i understand the NEW handling is needed for : > > a) make sure the licence is ok, and the package is otherwise distribuable, > and maybe setup the US-big-brother survey of developer's work. > > b) check if the new package upload doesn't split in

Call for brevity and on-topicness of discussion

2005-03-02 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
Hi people, With the record number of six people running for DPL this year[1], and having now five platforms available (at the same location), this year's DPL campaiging promises to become an interesting discussion. In order to try to keep the size of the discussion still consumeable by as much pe

Re: DPL election IRC Debate - Call for questions

2005-03-02 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Seg, 2005-02-28 às 06:29, Helen Faulkner escreveu: > We would therefore like to call for suggestions for questions to be put > to the candidates during the debate. We hope to be able to choose a set > of questions which reflect the concerns and interests of Debian > Developers in general. Ok,

Re: DPL election IRC Debate - Call for questions

2005-03-02 Thread Ean Schuessler
I know I've caused a lot of controversy with this issue but I keep reapproaching it only because I feel its so important and that we are still failing to address the issue with the proper level of seriousness (ie. completely and permanently solved). So... Dead horse... Kick. Kick. Kick. Q: In

Re: DPL election IRC Debate - Call for questions

2005-03-02 Thread MJ Ray
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Q: In June of 2004 it became apparent that SPI had been having deep set > responsibilities executing its chartered task. [...] JOOI, is "deep set responsibilities" new business-speak for problems? As past -vote readers know, I agree with Ean that

Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-02 Thread Erinn Clark
Hi everyone :) None of the individuals listed in the gender imbalance section were consulted about this plan; we also think these issues are deeper than can be fixed with a three month analysis. Furthermore, we do not believe this to be a good-faith effort to address the relevant issues, given pas

Re: DPL election IRC Debate - Call for questions

2005-03-02 Thread Anthony Towns
Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 09:29:41AM +, Helen Faulkner wrote: You are welcome to either post suggested questions to this list, or to email myself and/or Martin privately with your suggestions. If you wish your questions to be anonymous, please email us privately and make that

Re: DPL election IRC Debate - Call for questions

2005-03-02 Thread MJ Ray
Anthony Towns wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 09:29:41AM +, Helen Faulkner wrote: > >>You are welcome to either post suggested questions to this list, or to > >>email myself and/or Martin privately with your suggestions. [...] > > Ok, i have one question. > Can we keep

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-02 Thread MJ Ray
Erinn Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > None of the individuals listed in the gender imbalance section were > consulted about this plan; we also think these issues are deeper than can be > fixed with a three month analysis. Furthermore, we do not believe this to > be a good-faith effort to address

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-02 Thread Erinn Clark
* MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:03:03 04:31 +]: > Erinn Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > None of the individuals listed in the gender imbalance section were > > consulted about this plan; we also think these issues are deeper than can be > > fixed with a three month analysis. Furthermor

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-02 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 04:31:08AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Is anything to be fixed with the three-month analysis, or is it just to get some "first steps" recommendations? The DPL term is only twelve months, so I guess the arbitrary length is to give some time for krooger to work on it, if I'm being tr

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-02 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 10:10:45PM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote: None of the individuals listed in the gender imbalance section were consulted about this plan The initial slate of stakeholder candidates were chosen for their publicly demonstrated commitment to gender equity in Debian. Should any candi

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 10:03:59PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: > On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 10:10:45PM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote: > >None of the individuals listed in the gender imbalance section were > >consulted about this plan > > The initial slate of stakeholder candidates were chosen for their

Re: DPL election IRC Debate - Call for questions

2005-03-02 Thread Ean Schuessler
Whoops. I screwed up an edit. Let me redo it: Q: In June of 2004 it became apparent that SPI had deep set problems executing its chartered tasks. Donations equal to roughly half of Debian's total holdings did not make their way into the project's accounts due to poor (or non-existant) bookkeepi

Re: DPL election IRC Debate - Call for questions

2005-03-02 Thread Ean Schuessler
Where can we put them? Submitting them "in secret" to be edited by the debate organizers seems incorrect. I think we just need to remain focused on the idea that we are editing questions to be posed to candidates, not attempting to answer the questions themselves. On Wednesday 02 March 2005 9:

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-02 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 05:28:05PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: The longest journey begins with a single step. Not even the shortest journey begins without that single step! Giving someone a shove down the stairs isn't a real winning strategy to starting a journey. I'm sorry you feel that way. If

Re: The role of the DPL in technical decisions

2005-03-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 06:18:19PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As i understand the NEW handling is needed for : > > > > a) make sure the licence is ok, and the package is otherwise distribuable, > > and maybe setup the US-big-brother survey of

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 10:43:14PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: > On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 05:28:05PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > >>The longest journey begins with a single step. Not even the shortest > >>journey begins without that single step! > > > >Giving someone a shove down the stairs is

Re: DPL election IRC Debate - question about the NEW handling.

2005-03-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 07:41:09PM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > >On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 09:29:41AM +, Helen Faulkner wrote: > >>You are welcome to either post suggested questions to this list, or to > >>email myself and/or Martin privately with your suggestions. If you w

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
[presumably you wanted this to the list and just misreplied] On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 10:47:19PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: > On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 05:28:05PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > >On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 10:03:59PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: > >>The initial slate of stakeholder

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-02 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 06:07:35PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: If you don't like my choices, feel free to form your own committee. As DPL I will endorse whichever de facto committee already exists at the time of my election. An informal group of individuals has been in operation for some time now,

Question for candidate Towns [Was, Re: DPL election IRC Debate - Call for questions]

2005-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Anthony, On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 07:41:09PM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote: > >I would like to know from the DPL candidates what is their opinion on way > >the > >ftp-masters handle the NEW queue, > I think this is the wrong question. The right question to ask is what > the ftpmasters think of t