Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

2004-07-28 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 05:27:24PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > > It really sucks that we reached this point. But since proper communication has > failed horribly to resolve this, I recognise there's no other way. > > Seconded. I hereby withdraw my second to this proposal. Many developers w

Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

2004-07-28 Thread Robert Millan
Euh. This ought to be signed, IIRC.. On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 06:21:41PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 05:27:24PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > > > > > It really sucks that we reached this point. But since proper communication has > > failed horribly to resolve this, I

PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Robert Millan
I propose an amendment to this GR proposal. The text is completely replaced by: === The Debian project hereby resolves: - That the developers in charge for adding the architecture identified by dpkg as "amd64", hereina

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:00:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > Rationale: > > - Taking technical decisions through voting is not generaly a good > idea. Agreed. > - We're facing a communication problem, so the solution is to ease > communication between the affected parties. This

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Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:00:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > === > The Debian project hereby resolves: > > - That the developers in charge for adding the architecture identified by > dpkg as "amd64", hereinafter "amd

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:16:04PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > You cannot write a GR to order somebody to do something. That's > fundamental to the project structure, and written into the > constitution. Get used to the idea, and stop proposing GRs that don't > do anything. Please note the

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 12:12:20PM -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: > > - We're facing a communication problem, so the solution is to ease > > communication between the affected parties. > > This GR seems to force communication between ftpmaster and the porters. I don't put in question the ftp-m

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Andreas Barth
* Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040728 20:25]: > On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:00:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > === > > The Debian project hereby resolves: > > > > - That the developers in charge for adding the ar

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 08:51:14PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:16:04PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > > You cannot write a GR to order somebody to do something. That's > > fundamental to the project structure, and written into the > > constitution. Get used to the

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 09:48:24PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040728 20:25]: > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:00:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > > === > > > The Debian project hereby

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 09:04:02PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > I don't think communication will be eased by a GR forcing people to talk > > to each other. > > Well, since everything else has failed, I disagree. "None of these other things worked, so this one must"? That's not actually rationa

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Andrew Suffield [Wed, Jul 28 2004, 07:16:04PM]: > You cannot write a GR to order somebody to do something. That's > fundamental to the project structure, and written into the > constitution. Get used to the idea, and stop proposing GRs that don't > do anything. You can propose what yo

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute.

2004-07-28 Thread Roland Mas
Andrew Suffield, 2004-07-28 22:20:09 +0200 : > "None of these other things worked, so this one must"? That's not > actually rational... Ever heard of the Shadoks? [1] They had this saying: "Keep on trying, and you'll eventually succeed. Therefore, the more it doesn't work, the more likely it is

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute.

2004-07-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040728 20:25]: >> On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:00:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: >> > === >> > The Debian project hereby resolves: >> > >> >

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute.

2004-07-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 11:30:28PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> This is a no-op by rule of the constitution. > Might be a no-op but its an ultimatum of a sort. > You could formulate it as: > That the developers in charge for adding the arch

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute.

2004-07-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 11:05:19PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote: > Andrew Suffield, 2004-07-28 22:20:09 +0200 : > > > "None of these other things worked, so this one must"? That's not > > actually rational... > > Ever heard of the Shadoks? [1] They had this saying: "Keep on trying, > and you'll event