Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-27 Thread Andreas Barth
* Graham Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040527 06:25]: > On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 09:26:51AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Proposal F got the requisite number of seconds, and is now on > > the ballot. The discussion period has been reset. If someone would > > like to provide a 40 char d

Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-27 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 09:03:47PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > You can put whatever you want in your sources.list, and they > can point whereever they want, but that does not make it part of > Sarge, which we, as a project, release. Nevertheless, there is a non-free accompaniment to S

Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 07:20:05AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 09:03:47PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > You can put whatever you want in your sources.list, and they > > can point whereever they want, but that does not make it part of > > Sarge, which we, as a proj

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-27 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 09:02:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > The social contract currently reads: > == > 1 Debian will remain 100% free ... > system require the use of a non-free component. > =

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Re: DFSG#10

2004-05-27 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 11:49:12PM -0400, Walter Landry wrote: > For anything not in the "distribution" (e.g. the web pages), I would > agree. However, I _do_ think that the social contract is saying that > anything in the "distribution" must be free software. Sure. But what you're showing here

Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-27 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 01:24:56PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Yes; but it is not, nor has it ever been, part of a released > distribution. The proposal we're currently talking about (http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/05/msg00440.html) doesn't specify whether it's talking about the oper

Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-27 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 10:11:22AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Graham Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040527 06:25]: > > On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 09:26:51AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > Proposal F got the requisite number of seconds, and is now on > > > the ballot. The discussion pe

Re: DFSG#10

2004-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 27 May 2004 07:53:38 -0400, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 11:49:12PM -0400, Walter Landry wrote: >> For anything not in the "distribution" (e.g. the web pages), I >> would agree. However, I _do_ think that the social contract is >> saying that anything i

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 27 May 2004 07:36:38 -0400, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 09:02:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> The social contract currently reads: >> == >> 1 Debian will remain 100% free > ... >

Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-27 Thread Andreas Barth
* Graham Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040527 17:40]: > On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 10:11:22AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > * Graham Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040527 06:25]: > > > On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 09:26:51AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > > Proposal F got the requisite number of

Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 27 May 2004 07:20:05 -0400, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 09:03:47PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> You can put whatever you want in your sources.list, and they can >> point whereever they want, but that does not make it part of Sarge, >> which we, as

Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:05:56 -0400, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 01:24:56PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> Yes; but it is not, nor has it ever been, part of a released >> distribution. > The proposal we're currently talking about > (http://lists.debian.org/de

Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-27 Thread Andreas Barth
* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040527 17:55]: > *Must* we lose all aspects of common sense when trying to > determine the scope of proposals we do not agree with? Even worse, we lose all aspects of common sense when trying to determine the scope of any formal document in Debian. Th

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Re: DFSG#10

2004-05-27 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 10:40:36AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > A 4.8:1 supermajority seems to indicate that the public > opinion was pretty clear. Before those hundred developers voted, some other interpretations were plausible. After they voted, that was no longer the case. Unless y

Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 27 May 2004, Andreas Barth wrote: > You know that there are other interpretations of the social > contract. Why do you think it appropriate to give one > interpretation the official blessing before doing a GR on this? I thought the whole reason we were making this GR is because there wasn

Re: DFSG#10

2004-05-27 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Unless you're suggesting that our current decisions should be > based on the results of future votes? It would make things a lot easier if we could figure out how to make it work! :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsu

Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-27 Thread Andreas Barth
* Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040527 20:55]: > On Thu, 27 May 2004, Andreas Barth wrote: > > You know that there are other interpretations of the social > > contract. Why do you think it appropriate to give one > > interpretation the official blessing before doing a GR on this? > I thought

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-27 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 10:36:59AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > And there is nothing to tell us that the freedom we won't > compromise upon mentioned in proposal F is restricted to the freedoms > in the SC. Right -- neither the proposal nor its rationale say anything at all about this

Re: DFSG#10

2004-05-27 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 12:52:46PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 12:56:06PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > > On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 05:19:40PM +0200, Tore Anderson wrote: > > > For Debian to be "100% Free Software", it first must be "100% Software", > > > right? > > >

Re: DFSG#10

2004-05-27 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 11:49:22PM -0400, Walter Landry wrote: > > Dude, consensus doesn't mean "me, and the people who agree with me", > > it means "everyone", "everyone, apart from a few people who don't really > > mind in any case" or "everyone, apart from maybe a few crazy people". > >From the