Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You are mistaken. It also applies if a package needs a piece of software > which isn't distributable by Debian, not even in non-free (for a > concrete example, see the java packages that can't be compiled by free > compilers) Ah, thanks for the correc

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-01 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 09:48:57PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > You are mistaken. It also applies if a package needs a piece of software > > which isn't distributable by Debian, not even in non-free (for a > > concrete example, see the java

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2004-05-01 Thread Guenter Mauer
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Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 05:16:57PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > In the specific case of General Resolution 2004_003, since that release > currently in preparation, code named "Sarge", is very close to release, > and the previously released version is quite out of date, our commitment > to our u

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-01 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 05:40:11PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > "Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Organization:srivasta"@debian.org wrote: > > There is precedence for this gap in ratifying a foundation and > > implementing the dictats of that document; as Joey Hess reminded me: > > I think that th

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Simon Law
I second the following amendment. Simon On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 04:57:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes hav

Re: Counter-Proposal (was Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document)

2004-05-01 Thread David B Harris
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:46:25 -0500 Chad Walstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 06:17:40PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > > The wordy proposal, while wordy, covers everything - and it also > > provides rationale and context for the user. > > Providing context for the user is

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Remi Vanicat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes have been made.] >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2004-04-30 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [...] > I hereby propose that we amend the constitution to add to the > list of foundation documents the document attached in this proposal, > titled "Transition Guide" [...] I second this proposal.

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Greg Norris
I second the following proposed amendment. On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 04:57:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes h

Re: Counter-Proposal (was Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document)

2004-05-01 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 11:33:01AM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > The important part of my sentence was the first part - it "covers > everything". Including actually releasing Sarge, which your proposal > doesn't :) A change to the Constitution does have to mention any specific version of Debian.

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Francesco Paolo Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, and when next-generation processors will require loading firmwares > to work, we would put them in non-free and kernels and libc in contrib. > At that time Debian (aka main) will become just a collection of software > as in the first d

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Francesco Paolo Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, and when next-generation processors will require loading firmwares > to work, we would put them in non-free and kernels and libc in contrib. If that happened, it would not be possible perhaps to have a free kernel. That would be sad.

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Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-01 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, Francesco's points on future HW and its firmware are interesting. IMHO, it is somewhat weak to say "firmwares are OK" for Debian main just by this argument. Old SC can provide an exit path out of this problem by considering the historical context of SC, I think. Read on On Sat, May 01,

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Lukas Geyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes have been made.] > >

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-01 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 09:48:57PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > You are mistaken. It also applies if a package needs a piece of software > > which isn't distributable by Debian, not even in non-free (for a > > concrete example, see the java

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2004-05-01 Thread Guenter Mauer
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Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 05:16:57PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > In the specific case of General Resolution 2004_003, since that release > currently in preparation, code named "Sarge", is very close to release, > and the previously released version is quite out of date, our commitment > to our u

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-01 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 05:40:11PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > "Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Organization:srivasta"@debian.org wrote: > > There is precedence for this gap in ratifying a foundation and > > implementing the dictats of that document; as Joey Hess reminded me: > > I think that th

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Simon Law
I second the following amendment. Simon On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 04:57:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes hav

Re: Counter-Proposal (was Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document)

2004-05-01 Thread David B Harris
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:46:25 -0500 Chad Walstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 06:17:40PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > > The wordy proposal, while wordy, covers everything - and it also > > provides rationale and context for the user. > > Providing context for the user is

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Remi Vanicat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes have been made.] >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2004-04-30 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [...] > I hereby propose that we amend the constitution to add to the > list of foundation documents the document attached in this proposal, > titled "Transition Guide" [...] I second this proposal.

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Greg Norris
I second the following proposed amendment. On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 04:57:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes h

Re: Counter-Proposal (was Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document)

2004-05-01 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 11:33:01AM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > The important part of my sentence was the first part - it "covers > everything". Including actually releasing Sarge, which your proposal > doesn't :) A change to the Constitution does have to mention any specific version of Debian.

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Francesco Paolo Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, and when next-generation processors will require loading firmwares > to work, we would put them in non-free and kernels and libc in contrib. > At that time Debian (aka main) will become just a collection of software > as in the first d

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Francesco Paolo Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, and when next-generation processors will require loading firmwares > to work, we would put them in non-free and kernels and libc in contrib. If that happened, it would not be possible perhaps to have a free kernel. That would be sad.

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2004-05-01 Thread wveciitxrmfvct
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Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-01 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, Francesco's points on future HW and its firmware are interesting. IMHO, it is somewhat weak to say "firmwares are OK" for Debian main just by this argument. Old SC can provide an exit path out of this problem by considering the historical context of SC, I think. Read on On Sat, May 01,