Re: GR: Editorial amendments to the social contract

2004-03-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Nathanael Nerode ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040325 00:55]: > > Well, IMHO the old version is much nicer. The social contract _should_ > > in my opinion have some nice, not too technical start. A promise is a > > very good start, and I'd like to keep that there. > You have a point. Andrew's version is

GR: Alternative editorial changes to the SC

2004-03-26 Thread Andreas Barth
Hi, I herby propose the following editorial changes to the SC, as alternative to Andrews proposal: | 1. Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software | | We promise to keep the Debian system and all its components entirely | free software. We provide the guidelines that we use to determine if | a work i

Re: Mailing list behaviour was: Candidate questions/musings

2004-03-26 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Jonathan Walther wrote: > I prefer my fellow Debian brothers to develop rhinocerous hides. :-) Disregarding your smiley for a moment (I'm not sure what you want say with it anyway): I disagree. Rhino hides tend to come with Rhino horns, which people then get in the habit of using as an all-p

Re: GR: Alternative editorial changes to the SC

2004-03-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 08:15:09AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > I herby propose the following editorial changes to the SC, as > alternative to Andrews proposal: Since ballot alternatives start out life as amendments to the current proposal, I think it would be helpful if you could provide this as

Re: Mailing list behaviour was: Candidate questions/musings

2004-03-26 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Anand" == Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Anand> I, personally, suspect that the unfriendliness of Debian is Anand> behind a lot of requests for smaller mailing lists seen by Anand> listmaster these days. A lot of people don't bother to use Anand> the main mailing l

Re: GR: Alternative editorial changes to the SC

2004-03-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040326 21:10]: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 08:15:09AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > > I herby propose the following editorial changes to the SC, as > > alternative to Andrews proposal: > Since ballot alternatives start out life as amendments to the current > pro

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-26 Thread Dale C. Scheetz
I have just plowed through a large wad of messages on this thread, and the only thing I have to say is that every everything I have read is self justification or off topic crap. In principle I agree with Craig. The arguments over non-free are just plain stupid. There is no contradiction betw

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 07:01:41PM +0100, Dale C. Scheetz wrote: > There is no contradiction between declaring Debian to be totally about > Free Software, and the maintaining of a section called non-free. The > non-free packages are examples of software that fails to meet our > definition of fre

I am the "50,000,000" visitor to this site! What have I won?

2004-03-26 Thread Raelene Neander
I went to a site to to download 3d wolfenstein for free, and up flashed a sign saying that I was the 50,000,000 visitor to the site, and also I had won a prize.  It told me to shut the window and contact the prize department - which I did.  When I got to the prize departments site, all I fou

SC changes

2004-03-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
I think we should handle changes to each section separately. Of course there are interactions between, but there are several discrete proposals in each of the two version of changes, and I might like some and not others. I would hate to have to vote against the ones I like just because they are

Re: Mailing list behaviour was: Candidate questions/musings

2004-03-26 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Jonathan Walther wrote: > I prefer my fellow Debian brothers to develop rhinocerous hides. :-) Disregarding your smiley for a moment (I'm not sure what you want say with it anyway): I disagree. Rhino hides tend to come with Rhino horns, which people then get in the habit of using as an all-p

Re: GR: Alternative editorial changes to the SC

2004-03-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 08:15:09AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > I herby propose the following editorial changes to the SC, as > alternative to Andrews proposal: Since ballot alternatives start out life as amendments to the current proposal, I think it would be helpful if you could provide this as

Re: Mailing list behaviour was: Candidate questions/musings

2004-03-26 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Anand" == Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Anand> I, personally, suspect that the unfriendliness of Debian is Anand> behind a lot of requests for smaller mailing lists seen by Anand> listmaster these days. A lot of people don't bother to use Anand> the main mailing l

Re: GR: Alternative editorial changes to the SC

2004-03-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040326 21:10]: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 08:15:09AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > > I herby propose the following editorial changes to the SC, as > > alternative to Andrews proposal: > Since ballot alternatives start out life as amendments to the current > pro

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-26 Thread Dale C. Scheetz
I have just plowed through a large wad of messages on this thread, and the only thing I have to say is that every everything I have read is self justification or off topic crap. In principle I agree with Craig. The arguments over non-free are just plain stupid. There is no contradiction betwee

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 07:01:41PM +0100, Dale C. Scheetz wrote: > There is no contradiction between declaring Debian to be totally about > Free Software, and the maintaining of a section called non-free. The > non-free packages are examples of software that fails to meet our > definition of fre

I am the "50,000,000" visitor to this site! What have I won?

2004-03-26 Thread Raelene Neander
I went to a site to to download 3d wolfenstein for free, and up flashed a sign saying that I was the 50,000,000 visitor to the site, and also I had won a prize.  It told me to shut the window and contact the prize department - which I did.  When I got to the prize departments site, all I fou

SC changes

2004-03-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
I think we should handle changes to each section separately. Of course there are interactions between, but there are several discrete proposals in each of the two version of changes, and I might like some and not others. I would hate to have to vote against the ones I like just because they are

Re: SC changes

2004-03-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Thomas Bushnell, BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040327 05:25]: > I think we should handle changes to each section separately. Sounds like a good idea. Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ PGP 1024/89FB5CE5 DC F1 85 6D A6 45 9C 0F 3B BE F1 D0 C5 D1 D9 0C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, e

Re: SC changes

2004-03-26 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Of course there are interactions between, but there are several > discrete proposals in each of the two version of changes, and I > might like some and not others. I would hate to have to vote > against the ones I like just because they are tied t