On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 12:53:21AM -0500, Buddha Buck wrote:
> I'd just like to comment that I find the output of the below list hard
> to read, and I'm one of the folks who helped recommend our current
> voting procedure.
Yeah, I tend to agree; separating the interesting comparisons across the
I have a bit of a cantankerous question for the candidates:
Do you think it's possible for Debian to have a leader anymore?
Recent "leaders" have all been coordinator type people. And while
that's fine... they've all been nice, intelligent, thoughtful people
who are of course very dedicated to t
Hi,
thank you for the work (and everyone for their voting ;).
However, I disagree with one little detail (not important for this
vote, but perhaps for a later one).
* Debian Project Secretary ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040322 01:25]:
> Dropping Option 1 because of Majority. 0.765 (199/260) <= 3
IMHO
> Do you think it's possible for Debian to have a leader anymore?
Yes, definitely.
> Recent "leaders" have all been coordinator type people. And while
> that's fine... they've all been nice, intelligent, thoughtful people
> who are of course very dedicated to the project... none of them seems
>
Gergely Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Recent "leaders" have all been coordinator type people. And while
> > that's fine... they've all been nice, intelligent, thoughtful
> > people who are of course very dedicated to the project... none of
> > them seems to have really done much to take De
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Hi.
OK, I admit I am late. I wanted to ask this some days ago,
but apparently forgot about it, and now, the voting period already
started. If you feel for some reason that it is inappropriate
to answer this question after the voting period has started,
I'll have to accept this. Please accept my
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:11:20AM +0100, David N. Welton wrote:
> Do you think it's possible for Debian to have a leader anymore?
One of the difficulties in leading Debian is making sure you're going
somewhere people want to go. To take a simple example, consider the
non-free thing: we've had all
Anthony Towns writes:
> > Frankly, the most exciting development in Debian I've seen lately
> > is Bruce Perens' UserLinux, [...]
> For example, as well as the many things Bruce came up with that
> worked out, he also proposed things like switching us to rpm, and
> dropping packages like "bitchx
(Being a fun candidate has the advantage of being able to ignore any
said and unsaid rules or agreements and whatnot, so I can answer every
mail I want to >;)
> I have seen lots of discussions about CDD and splitting up Debian
> into a core and more-or-less independent topic specific sections rece
Yes. I know I'm not a candidate but I thought I'd answer this anyway
to clarify what CDDs are doing and advocating. :)
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 02:14:39PM +0100, Mario Lang wrote:
> I have seen lots of discussions about CDD and splitting up Debian
> into a core and more-or-less independent topic sp
Preface: I'm honestly hoping that this email wil spur some constructive
discussion...
Personally, I don't believe in voting, and I don't believe that I have a
need for some kind of Leader.
I know this this topic has come up before, but is Debian Project Leader
really the title that best desc
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:56:13AM -0800, mbc wrote:
> Personally, I don't believe in voting, and I don't believe that I have a
> need for some kind of Leader.
That's fine. Every DD can basically maintain his/her packges and improve
the distribution without ever having to worry about a leader or
Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Of course, such bugs would probably be promptly marked 'wontfix' or
> 'helpwanted', so it wouldn't really do any good. :-/
Yes, it does do good. Among other things, other people might see them
and fix them! It does happen.
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:56:13AM -0800, mbc wrote:
> Feel free to email me off list if you think this is not relevant to
> the election.
The Debian Constitution: http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution
Give it a read if you haven't done so recently. Hopefully, it'll
explain things well enough
On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 02:08:36AM -0500, Lukas Geyer wrote:
> Well, at least the German translation could need some
> proofreading.
[...]
> I have not checked back with the original, but I don't believe this
> translation is faithful to it...
My thanks to you and Peter Palfrader for offering corr
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Personally, I don't believe in voting.
What does that mean? You don't believe voting happens? You would
rather have decisions made without voting?
I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision making.
Although with a project our size, and distributed as ours, its probably
just about impossible for us to use consensus. To read more about formal
consensus process, see http://consensus.net/ocaccontents.html
I imagine we cou
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision
> making. Although with a project our size, and distributed as ours, its
> probably just about impossible for us to use consensus.
So, then, um...what?
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:52PM -0800, mbc wrote:
> consensus process, see http://consensus.net/ocaccontents.html
That's something like what we used to do most of the time, and it's still
what we mostly do. Realize that we do not use Parliamentary Procedure.
More generally, our decision makin
The voting comment wasn't the main point of my post. I'm more trying to
figure out what the role of a project leader is and why we need a single
project leader.
Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision
maki
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The voting comment wasn't the main point of my post. I'm more trying
> to figure out what the role of a project leader is and why we need a
> single project leader.
Sure, but other people have taken up explaining why you seemed to be
misguided there too. I'm int
I have a bit of a cantankerous question for the candidates:
Do you think it's possible for Debian to have a leader anymore?
Recent "leaders" have all been coordinator type people. And while
that's fine... they've all been nice, intelligent, thoughtful people
who are of course very dedicated to t
Hi,
thank you for the work (and everyone for their voting ;).
However, I disagree with one little detail (not important for this
vote, but perhaps for a later one).
* Debian Project Secretary ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040322 01:25]:
> Dropping Option 1 because of Majority. 0.765 (199/260) <= 3
IMHO
> Do you think it's possible for Debian to have a leader anymore?
Yes, definitely.
> Recent "leaders" have all been coordinator type people. And while
> that's fine... they've all been nice, intelligent, thoughtful people
> who are of course very dedicated to the project... none of them seems
>
Gergely Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Recent "leaders" have all been coordinator type people. And while
> > that's fine... they've all been nice, intelligent, thoughtful
> > people who are of course very dedicated to the project... none of
> > them seems to have really done much to take De
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Hi.
OK, I admit I am late. I wanted to ask this some days ago,
but apparently forgot about it, and now, the voting period already
started. If you feel for some reason that it is inappropriate
to answer this question after the voting period has started,
I'll have to accept this. Please accept my
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:11:20AM +0100, David N. Welton wrote:
> Do you think it's possible for Debian to have a leader anymore?
One of the difficulties in leading Debian is making sure you're going
somewhere people want to go. To take a simple example, consider the
non-free thing: we've had all
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Frankly, the most exciting development in Debian I've seen lately
> > is Bruce Perens' UserLinux, [...]
> For example, as well as the many things Bruce came up with that
> worked out, he also proposed things like switching us to rpm, and
> dropping pa
(Being a fun candidate has the advantage of being able to ignore any
said and unsaid rules or agreements and whatnot, so I can answer every
mail I want to >;)
> I have seen lots of discussions about CDD and splitting up Debian
> into a core and more-or-less independent topic specific sections rece
Yes. I know I'm not a candidate but I thought I'd answer this anyway
to clarify what CDDs are doing and advocating. :)
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 02:14:39PM +0100, Mario Lang wrote:
> I have seen lots of discussions about CDD and splitting up Debian
> into a core and more-or-less independent topic sp
Preface: I'm honestly hoping that this email wil spur some constructive
discussion...
Personally, I don't believe in voting, and I don't believe that I have a
need for some kind of Leader.
I know this this topic has come up before, but is Debian Project Leader
really the title that best descri
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:56:13AM -0800, mbc wrote:
> Personally, I don't believe in voting, and I don't believe that I have a
> need for some kind of Leader.
That's fine. Every DD can basically maintain his/her packges and improve
the distribution without ever having to worry about a leader or
Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Of course, such bugs would probably be promptly marked 'wontfix' or
> 'helpwanted', so it wouldn't really do any good. :-/
Yes, it does do good. Among other things, other people might see them
and fix them! It does happen.
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On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:56:13AM -0800, mbc wrote:
> Feel free to email me off list if you think this is not relevant to
> the election.
The Debian Constitution: http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution
Give it a read if you haven't done so recently. Hopefully, it'll
explain things well enough
On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 02:08:36AM -0500, Lukas Geyer wrote:
> Well, at least the German translation could need some
> proofreading.
[...]
> I have not checked back with the original, but I don't believe this
> translation is faithful to it...
My thanks to you and Peter Palfrader for offering corr
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Personally, I don't believe in voting.
What does that mean? You don't believe voting happens? You would
rather have decisions made without voting?
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I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision making.
Although with a project our size, and distributed as ours, its probably
just about impossible for us to use consensus. To read more about formal
consensus process, see http://consensus.net/ocaccontents.html
I imagine we coul
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision
> making. Although with a project our size, and distributed as ours, its
> probably just about impossible for us to use consensus.
So, then, um...what?
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On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:52PM -0800, mbc wrote:
> consensus process, see http://consensus.net/ocaccontents.html
That's something like what we used to do most of the time, and it's still
what we mostly do. Realize that we do not use Parliamentary Procedure.
More generally, our decision makin
The voting comment wasn't the main point of my post. I'm more trying to
figure out what the role of a project leader is and why we need a single
project leader.
Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision
making.
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The voting comment wasn't the main point of my post. I'm more trying
> to figure out what the role of a project leader is and why we need a
> single project leader.
Sure, but other people have taken up explaining why you seemed to be
misguided there too. I'm int
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:53:21 -0500, Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I'd just like to comment that I find the output of the below list
> hard to read, and I'm one of the folks who helped recommend our
> current voting procedure.
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On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:52PM -0800, mbc wrote:
> I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision making.
Ah, consensus doesn't require voting?
Cool.
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