Re: Comparison and rebuttal of Raul Miller/20040119-13 against Andrew Suffield/GR Editorial

2004-01-26 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 02:17:16AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > Bugs are things that break software, not arbitrary third-party > specifications. We consider violations for the FHS to be be bugs. Why is that different? Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: non-free and users?

2004-01-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:19:53AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-01-25 02:14:58 + Anthony Towns > wrote: > > >No, I think that the philosophy of forcing people to do the Right > >Thing > >is evil. > > Small note: I think the proposed GR is closer to making the project > not do the wrong

Re: Non-free package licenses and replacements

2004-01-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 02:29:39AM +0200, Niklas Vainio wrote: > I've put up a web page listing possible replacements for packages currently in > non-free. There are still lot of blanks - please give suggestions. Perhaps > this > page can help in the discussion about removing non-free. BTW, maybe

Re: A transition plan to fsf-linux.org

2004-01-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 06:11:38PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:39:56PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > and all GNU documentation shall use the GNU FDL henceforth." Equally, > > it doesn't serve us to say "You'll take our non-free section away when > > you pry our cold

Re: Comparison and rebuttal of Raul Miller/20040119-13 against Andrew Suffield/GR Editorial

2004-01-26 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:12:54 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 02:17:16AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 11:51:13AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 12:02:06PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 02:28

"keep non-free" proposal

2004-01-26 Thread Raul Miller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I've been asked to re-write my amendment which proposes to update the social contract, eliminating all independent issues - -- the idea being that this will be less confusing to voters. http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01636.html So

Re: "keep non-free" proposal

2004-01-26 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 16:28, Raul Miller wrote: > Old: "1. Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software" > > If we ignore the rest of the social contract, there's two distinct > interpretations of this phrase. > > [A] Software which Debian distributes which is completely free will > remain completely f

Re: "keep non-free" proposal

2004-01-26 Thread Raul Miller
> > [B] Debian only distributes free software and will continue distributing > > only free software. On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 04:43:19PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > You are missing my interpretation: > > [C] Debian is constituted by 100% Free Software. Software that is 100% > Free Software, an

Re: A transition plan to fsf-linux.org

2004-01-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 12:08:43PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 06:11:38PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:39:56PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > and all GNU documentation shall use the GNU FDL henceforth." Equally, > > > it doesn't serve

Re: Comparison and rebuttal of Raul Miller/20040119-13 against Andrew Suffield/GR Editorial

2004-01-26 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 02:17:16AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > Bugs are things that break software, not arbitrary third-party > specifications. We consider violations for the FHS to be be bugs. Why is that different? Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --

Re: non-free and users?

2004-01-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:19:53AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-01-25 02:14:58 + Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >No, I think that the philosophy of forcing people to do the Right > >Thing > >is evil. > > Small note: I think the proposed GR is closer to making the project

Re: Non-free package licenses and replacements

2004-01-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 02:29:39AM +0200, Niklas Vainio wrote: > I've put up a web page listing possible replacements for packages currently in > non-free. There are still lot of blanks - please give suggestions. Perhaps this > page can help in the discussion about removing non-free. BTW, maybe it

Re: A transition plan to fsf-linux.org

2004-01-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 06:11:38PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:39:56PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > and all GNU documentation shall use the GNU FDL henceforth." Equally, > > it doesn't serve us to say "You'll take our non-free section away when > > you pry our cold

Re: Comparison and rebuttal of Raul Miller/20040119-13 against Andrew Suffield/GR Editorial

2004-01-26 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:12:54 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 02:17:16AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 11:51:13AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 12:02:06PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 02:28

"keep non-free" proposal

2004-01-26 Thread Raul Miller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I've been asked to re-write my amendment which proposes to update the social contract, eliminating all independent issues - -- the idea being that this will be less confusing to voters. http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01636.html So

Re: "keep non-free" proposal

2004-01-26 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 16:28, Raul Miller wrote: > Old: "1. Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software" > > If we ignore the rest of the social contract, there's two distinct > interpretations of this phrase. > > [A] Software which Debian distributes which is completely free will > remain completely f

Re: "keep non-free" proposal

2004-01-26 Thread Raul Miller
> > [B] Debian only distributes free software and will continue distributing > > only free software. On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 04:43:19PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > You are missing my interpretation: > > [C] Debian is constituted by 100% Free Software. Software that is 100% > Free Software, an

Re: A transition plan to fsf-linux.org

2004-01-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 12:08:43PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 06:11:38PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:39:56PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > and all GNU documentation shall use the GNU FDL henceforth." Equally, > > > it doesn't serve

Re: "keep non-free" proposal

2004-01-26 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 16:51, Raul Miller wrote: > > > [B] Debian only distributes free software and will continue distributing > > > only free software. > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 04:43:19PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > You are missing my interpretation: > > > > [C] Debian is constituted by

Re: "keep non-free" proposal

2004-01-26 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 05:10:55PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > I am pointing out there is another interpretation - a third. You chose > two interpretations, neither of which (necessarily) are "best". I'm not > saying mine is either, only pointing out a third interpretation. For my purposes, it