Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Sven> Well, manoj, the only problem is that when you filter spam, you do it Sven> after having paid for the download of the spam over a possibly slow and Sven> expensive modem connection. Quit. So th solution is to apply spam filterin

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Sven> To avoid spam in debian lists: Sven> - Being able to post is a privilege, not a right. The natural way of Sven> obtaining this privilege, for so called "open" lists, is by Sven> subscribing Sven> to them and using the same

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 08:24:09AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Sven> Well, manoj, the only problem is that when you filter spam, you do it > Sven> after having paid for the download of the spam over a possibly slow and > Sven> expensi

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > The answer is not to treat legitimate users like dirt, and > force them to use the subscribe address (my subscribe address is > never the address I post from). No, you could subscribe the address you post from to the "white list". Smartlist t

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Sven> What about the filtering mails crossposted to lots of list, these Sven> are the one that escape my own spamassassin setup mostly, and i receive Sven> 12+ copies of them. Can spamassassin, or another spam killer do such a Sven> test ?

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Santiago" == Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Santiago> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> The answer is not to treat legitimate users like dirt, and >> force them to use the subscribe address (my subscribe address is >> never the address I post from). Santiago> No,

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Santiago> Unless you change ISP several times a week, this would not be a > Santiago> problem for you, Manoj. > > I change ISP's several times a month, and, indeed, sometimes > use more than 2 a week. Well, but most people don't do that. Ca

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Santiago" == Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Santiago> Well, but most people don't do that. Where is the survey? Santiago> My points is that posting to a mailing list should be a Santiago> privilege, not a "right". I strongly disagree. We are vndors who provide

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Sven> Well, manoj, the only problem is that when you filter spam, you do it Sven> after having paid for the download of the spam over a possibly slow and Sven> expensive modem connection. Quit. So th solution is to apply spam filterin

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Sven> To avoid spam in debian lists: Sven> - Being able to post is a privilege, not a right. The natural way of Sven> obtaining this privilege, for so called "open" lists, is by Sven> subscribing Sven> to them and using the same

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 08:24:09AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Sven> Well, manoj, the only problem is that when you filter spam, you do it > Sven> after having paid for the download of the spam over a possibly slow and > Sven> expensi

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > The answer is not to treat legitimate users like dirt, and > force them to use the subscribe address (my subscribe address is > never the address I post from). No, you could subscribe the address you post from to the "white list". Smartlist t

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Sven> What about the filtering mails crossposted to lots of list, these Sven> are the one that escape my own spamassassin setup mostly, and i receive Sven> 12+ copies of them. Can spamassassin, or another spam killer do such a Sven> test ?

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Santiago" == Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Santiago> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> The answer is not to treat legitimate users like dirt, and >> force them to use the subscribe address (my subscribe address is >> never the address I post from). Santiago> No,

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Santiago> Unless you change ISP several times a week, this would not be a > Santiago> problem for you, Manoj. > > I change ISP's several times a month, and, indeed, sometimes > use more than 2 a week. Well, but most people don't do that. Ca

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Santiago" == Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Santiago> Well, but most people don't do that. Where is the survey? Santiago> My points is that posting to a mailing list should be a Santiago> privilege, not a "right". I strongly disagree. We are vndors who provide