Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Wouter Verhelst wrote: >That's a good > thing for everyone; and it also explains why occasionally the NM > frontdesk will waive this policy for people who are 'obviously' ready to > become a Debian Developer *now* rather than in six month

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread MJ Ray
Moray Allan > On 2013-03-18 12:45, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Perhaps the candidates can comment on the fact that this already been > > raised > > last year > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/07/msg00716.html > > I didn't see this subthread at the time. > > From reading it, I can

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-18 12:45, Charles Plessy wrote: Perhaps the candidates can comment on the fact that this already been raised last year http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/07/msg00716.html I didn't see this subthread at the time. From reading it, I can't understand why no one who took the

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 18/03/13 at 18:45 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:32:09AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:56:16AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > Also, the wiki has pages for http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDeveloper > > > but also for http://wik

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Jonathan, On 18-03-13 08:49, Jonathan Nieder wrote: [...DM status before entering NM...] > I do not even agree that it is useful as a stepping stone. > > DM privileges recognize that a contributor should not have to wait on > a DD to apply improvements within a specific domain where the DM has

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:32:09AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:56:16AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > Also, the wiki has pages for http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDeveloper > > but also for http://wiki.debian.org/DebianProjectMember that says: > > "Debian Develop

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Gergely Nagy
Jonathan Nieder writes: > Gergely Nagy wrote: >> Wouter Verhelst writes: Arno Töll writes: > > In fact, even the wiki says "Becoming a Debian Developer: You should be > a Debian Maintainer for six months before applying to the Debian New > Member Process" [1]. That's somewhat d

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:56:16AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Also, the wiki has pages for http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDeveloper > but also for http://wiki.debian.org/DebianProjectMember that says: > "Debian Developers are Debian Project Member with uploading rights" As observed in the past,

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 18/03/13 at 00:20 +0300, Moray Allan wrote: > I am not happy that: > > - People have gone for DM status because it's easier to get, but > then not gone on to become project members, in many more cases than > because they actively don't want to have full rights. Or because the perceived difficu

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 16/03/13 at 22:13 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hello, > > while reviewing the vote that introduced the Debian Maintainer status > in 2007 (http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_003_tally.txt) I noticed > that Lucas voted in favor and that Moray voted against it. > > Moray, why did you vote a

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Gergely Nagy wrote: > Wouter Verhelst writes: >>> Arno Töll writes: In fact, even the wiki says "Becoming a Debian Developer: You should be a Debian Maintainer for six months before applying to the Debian New Member Process" [1]. That's somewhat different to the original idea of >

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-17 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-17 14:50, Moray Allan wrote: On 2013-03-17 00:13, Raphael Hertzog wrote: while reviewing the vote that introduced the Debian Maintainer status in 2007 (http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_003_tally.txt) I noticed that Lucas voted in favor and that Moray voted against it. Moray, why

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-17 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-17 14:50, Moray Allan wrote: On 2013-03-17 00:13, Raphael Hertzog wrote: while reviewing the vote that introduced the Debian Maintainer status in 2007 (http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_003_tally.txt) I noticed that Lucas voted in favor and that Moray voted against it. Moray, why

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-17 Thread Gergely Nagy
Wouter Verhelst writes: > On 17-03-13 02:02, Gergely Nagy wrote: >> Arno Töll writes: >>> In fact, even the wiki says "Becoming a Debian Developer: You should be >>> a Debian Maintainer for six months before applying to the Debian New >>> Member Process" [1]. That's somewhat different to the ori

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-17 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-17 00:13, Raphael Hertzog wrote: while reviewing the vote that introduced the Debian Maintainer status in 2007 (http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_003_tally.txt) I noticed that Lucas voted in favor and that Moray voted against it. Moray, why did you vote against? I'll follow up t

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-17 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:37:35AM +0100, Arno Töll wrote: > Thus, the sheer number of DMs is not a really a resilient number per se, > although I agree that the DM status itself is a good procedure. FWIW, a more relevant number is the number of packages in the archive "maintained by DMs," see [1]

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Gergely, On 17-03-13 02:02, Gergely Nagy wrote: > Arno Töll writes: >> In fact, even the wiki says "Becoming a Debian Developer: You should be >> a Debian Maintainer for six months before applying to the Debian New >> Member Process" [1]. That's somewhat different to the original idea of >> th

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-16 Thread Gergely Nagy
Arno Töll writes: > On 17.03.2013 00:01, Gergely Nagy wrote: >> We have close to two hundred entries in the debian-maintainers-keyring, >> that's a respectable number, which reaffirms my recentish change of >> heart, that the DM status is a good thing, and while it does not solve >> all problems,

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-16 Thread Vincent Cheng
Hi, Just throwing in my $0.02 as one of the ~200 DMs we have... On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Arno Töll wrote: > although I'm deliberately ignoring all the good reasons you provided, > JFTR, many people feel obliged to become DM these days before applying > as a DD and even many DDs understan

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-16 Thread Arno Töll
Hi, On 17.03.2013 00:01, Gergely Nagy wrote: > We have close to two hundred entries in the debian-maintainers-keyring, > that's a respectable number, which reaffirms my recentish change of > heart, that the DM status is a good thing, and while it does not solve > all problems, it is, nevertheless,

Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, while reviewing the vote that introduced the Debian Maintainer status in 2007 (http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_003_tally.txt) I noticed that Lucas voted in favor and that Moray voted against it. Moray, why did you vote against? Does that still hold or did you change your mind in betwe