Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-03-08 Thread Brian May
On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 10:29:37AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Branden Robinson [Fri, Mar 07 2003, 03:23:37PM]: > > On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 11:37:15AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > > > Perhaps it is more a matter of not demonstrating that you have listened. > > > > Well, I don't think t

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-03-08 Thread Brian May
On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 10:29:37AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Branden Robinson [Fri, Mar 07 2003, 03:23:37PM]: > > On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 11:37:15AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > > > Perhaps it is more a matter of not demonstrating that you have listened. > > > > Well, I don't think t

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-03-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 10:29:37AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > Well, I do think so. You ignored my proposal completely and > answered-in-a-detailed-manner to Osamu and did the same: nothing. Again, demonstrably untrue: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200211/msg00689.html

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-03-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 10:29:37AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > Well, I do think so. You ignored my proposal completely and > answered-in-a-detailed-manner to Osamu and did the same: nothing. Again, demonstrably untrue: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200211/msg00689.html

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-03-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Branden Robinson [Fri, Mar 07 2003, 03:23:37PM]: > On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 11:37:15AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 12:24:20PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 04:30:43PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > > > That is not only about me - you

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-03-08 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Branden Robinson [Fri, Mar 07 2003, 03:23:37PM]: > On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 11:37:15AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 12:24:20PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 04:30:43PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > > > That is not only about me - you

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-03-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 11:37:15AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 12:24:20PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 04:30:43PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > > That is not only about me - you did not listen to any other person > > > showing you a way to change

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-03-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 11:37:15AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 12:24:20PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 04:30:43PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > > That is not only about me - you did not listen to any other person > > > showing you a way to change

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-28 Thread Brian May
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 12:24:20PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 04:30:43PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > That is not only about me - you did not listen to any other person > > showing you a way to change the current behaviour. > > Incorrect; I listened, though I disagr

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-28 Thread Brian May
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 12:24:20PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 04:30:43PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > That is not only about me - you did not listen to any other person > > showing you a way to change the current behaviour. > > Incorrect; I listened, though I disagr

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 01:21:38PM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote: > When the Social Contract was originally drafted, the title "Our Priorities > are Our Users and Free Software" was meant to strike a balance between meeting > the needs of those who would use Debian and the idealism of the Free Softwar

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 04:30:43PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > That is not only about me - you did not listen to any other person > showing you a way to change the current behaviour. Incorrect; I listened, though I disagreed. > > If you have that big a problem with my differing opinion, appeal t

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 01:21:38PM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote: > When the Social Contract was originally drafted, the title "Our Priorities > are Our Users and Free Software" was meant to strike a balance between meeting > the needs of those who would use Debian and the idealism of the Free Softwar

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 04:30:43PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > That is not only about me - you did not listen to any other person > showing you a way to change the current behaviour. Incorrect; I listened, though I disagreed. > > If you have that big a problem with my differing opinion, appeal t

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-27 Thread Bdale Garbee
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oohara Yuuma) writes: > can you tell me what "Our Users" in #4 of the social contract means? When the Social Contract was originally drafted, the title "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" was meant to strike a balance between meeting the needs of those who would u

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-27 Thread Bdale Garbee
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oohara Yuuma) writes: > can you tell me what "Our Users" in #4 of the social contract means? When the Social Contract was originally drafted, the title "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" was meant to strike a balance between meeting the needs of those who would u

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-27 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Branden Robinson [Thu, Feb 27 2003, 09:09:20AM]: > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:05:21AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > Funny to hear it from someone still refusing to change few things to > > improve useability on _small_ costs of mental consistency (remember > > x-session-manager story).

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:05:21AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > Funny to hear it from someone still refusing to change few things to > improve useability on _small_ costs of mental consistency (remember > x-session-manager story). Again, a moral condemnation grounded upon my disagreement with you

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-27 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Branden Robinson [Thu, Feb 27 2003, 09:09:20AM]: > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:05:21AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > Funny to hear it from someone still refusing to change few things to > > improve useability on _small_ costs of mental consistency (remember > > x-session-manager story).

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-27 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Oohara Yuuma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-27 12:48]: > can you tell me what "Our Users" in #4 of the social contract means? > Since Debian is not a market-share-seeking organization, we don't care > about people who don't use Debian, so it seems a tautology. You say that "we don't care about peo

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:05:21AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > Funny to hear it from someone still refusing to change few things to > improve useability on _small_ costs of mental consistency (remember > x-session-manager story). Again, a moral condemnation grounded upon my disagreement with you

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-27 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Oohara Yuuma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-27 12:48]: > can you tell me what "Our Users" in #4 of the social contract means? > Since Debian is not a market-share-seeking organization, we don't care > about people who don't use Debian, so it seems a tautology. You say that "we don't care about peo

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-27 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Branden Robinson [Thu, Feb 27 2003, 04:25:34AM]: > > can you tell me what "Our Users" in #4 of the social contract means? > > Since Debian is not a market-share-seeking organization, we don't care > > about people who don't use Debian, so it seems a tautology. > > I think it means tha

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 12:48:37PM +0900, Oohara Yuuma wrote: > [see the "Future of Debian uncertain?" thread on -devel for background] > > Hello DPL candidates, > > can you tell me what "Our Users" in #4 of the social contract means? > Since Debian is not a market-share-seeking organization, we

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-27 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Branden Robinson [Thu, Feb 27 2003, 04:25:34AM]: > > can you tell me what "Our Users" in #4 of the social contract means? > > Since Debian is not a market-share-seeking organization, we don't care > > about people who don't use Debian, so it seems a tautology. > > I think it means tha

Re: our users as one of our priorities

2003-02-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 12:48:37PM +0900, Oohara Yuuma wrote: > [see the "Future of Debian uncertain?" thread on -devel for background] > > Hello DPL candidates, > > can you tell me what "Our Users" in #4 of the social contract means? > Since Debian is not a market-share-seeking organization, we