Re: Unusual behaviour regarding default options and supermajority requirements.

2002-11-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 12:31:42AM +1100, Clinton wrote: > Assume a set of votes as below. > CBA > CBA > CBA > ACB > BAC > Not only has the condorcet winner lost, but this system has a distrubing > property if the election is recounted, with the same set of votes, there > is a new winner. > > Si

Re: Unusual behaviour regarding default options and supermajority requirements.

2002-11-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 12:31:42AM +1100, Clinton wrote: > Assume a set of votes as below. > CBA > CBA > CBA > ACB > BAC > Not only has the condorcet winner lost, but this system has a distrubing > property if the election is recounted, with the same set of votes, there > is a new winner. > > Si

Re: Unusual behaviour regarding default options and supermajority requirements.

2002-11-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Sven Luther: > Err, i don't know anything about voting system, apart from what i read > lastly on debian-vote, but it seems to me that if you change the default > option, (that is the 'non of the above' on ballots, right) then you are > not rerunning the algorithm with identical votes, but the

Re: Unusual behaviour regarding default options and supermajority requirements.

2002-11-17 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 04:11:53PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Err, i don't know anything about voting system, apart from what i read > lastly on debian-vote, but it seems to me that if you change the default > option, (that is the 'non of the above' on ballots, right) then you are > not rerunning

Re: Unusual behaviour regarding default options and supermajority requirements.

2002-11-17 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 12:31:42AM +1100, Clinton wrote: > So heres another proposal, that seems to work well in this case. > > (i) If the default option defeats all other options, considering its > supermajority and quorum benefits, than it is declared the winner. > (ii) Otherwise, conduct the b

Re: Unusual behaviour regarding default options and supermajority requirements.

2002-11-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 12:31:42AM +1100, Clinton wrote: > So the current vote counting system, as far as I can tell, has the > property that re-running an election with identical votes can produce a > different result. Assuming that supermajority protection is generally > designed to promote st

Re: Unusual behaviour regarding default options and supermajority requirements.

2002-11-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Sven Luther: > Err, i don't know anything about voting system, apart from what i read > lastly on debian-vote, but it seems to me that if you change the default > option, (that is the 'non of the above' on ballots, right) then you are > not rerunning the algorithm with identical votes, but the

Re: Unusual behaviour regarding default options and supermajority requirements.

2002-11-17 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 04:11:53PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Err, i don't know anything about voting system, apart from what i read > lastly on debian-vote, but it seems to me that if you change the default > option, (that is the 'non of the above' on ballots, right) then you are > not rerunning

Re: Unusual behaviour regarding default options and supermajority requirements.

2002-11-17 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 12:31:42AM +1100, Clinton wrote: > So heres another proposal, that seems to work well in this case. > > (i) If the default option defeats all other options, considering its > supermajority and quorum benefits, than it is declared the winner. > (ii) Otherwise, conduct the b

Re: Unusual behaviour regarding default options and supermajority requirements.

2002-11-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 12:31:42AM +1100, Clinton wrote: > So the current vote counting system, as far as I can tell, has the > property that re-running an election with identical votes can produce a > different result. Assuming that supermajority protection is generally > designed to promote st