On 2021-03-25 04 h 18, Christian Kastner wrote:
> Why would someone get paid to organize one, though?
>
> I've never organized one, but it was my impression from others that this
> was always done voluntarily and from own initiative.
>
Jonathan said he didn't have time to organise one, Raphael r
Christian Kastner writes:
...
> * Someone gets paid to improve Debian
Some packages end up in this situation because there is no need for them
to be in the archive.
If you pay someone to keep them in, you are removing the evolutionary
pressure that ensures that Debian doesn't fill up with dro
On 23.03.21 17:28, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> If Debian paid for working on orphaned packages, then I would probably
> orphan some of the packages I now maintain as a volunteer, to then work
> on those same packages for pay.
First, I think that at least two alternative scenarios have to be taken
On 23.03.21 16:40, Gard Spreemann wrote:
> Jonas Smedegaard writes:
>> Seems backwards to to me to pay for keeping packages alive that we have
>> lost interest in.
>
> That's a good point, I agree. What about packages that we have lost
> interest in, but that our users very much have not? Admit
On 23.03.21 16:04, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote:
> On 2021-03-22 16 h 43, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
>> Le vendredi, 19 mars 2021, 17.49:54 h CET Louis-Philippe Véronneau a écrit :
>>> I for one would be less motivated to help with videoteam tasks if I knew
>>> someone was paid to organise a min
On Ma, 23 mar 21, 16:40:32, Gard Spreemann wrote:
>
> That's a good point, I agree. What about packages that we have lost
> interest in, but that our users very much have not? Admittedly, I have
> no idea of what the cardinality of that intersection is.
[just a user here]
If such packages and us
Quoting Gard Spreemann (2021-03-23 16:40:32)
>
> Jonas Smedegaard writes:
>
> > Quoting Gard Spreemann (2021-03-23 16:18:10)
> >> Is there a fundamental difference between paying someone to do
> >> "non-fun administrative tasks" like accounting, and paying someone
> >> to help out with orphane
Jonas Smedegaard writes:
> Quoting Gard Spreemann (2021-03-23 16:18:10)
>>
>> Louis-Philippe Véronneau writes:
>>
>> > On 2021-03-22 16 h 43, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
>> >> Le vendredi, 19 mars 2021, 17.49:54 h CET Louis-Philippe Véronneau
>> >> a écrit :
>> >>> On 2021-03-19 08 h 02, Rap
Quoting Gard Spreemann (2021-03-23 16:18:10)
>
> Louis-Philippe Véronneau writes:
>
> > On 2021-03-22 16 h 43, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> >> Le vendredi, 19 mars 2021, 17.49:54 h CET Louis-Philippe Véronneau
> >> a écrit :
> >>> On 2021-03-19 08 h 02, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > I've been
Louis-Philippe Véronneau writes:
> On 2021-03-22 16 h 43, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
>> Le vendredi, 19 mars 2021, 17.49:54 h CET Louis-Philippe Véronneau a écrit :
>>> On 2021-03-19 08 h 02, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> I've been telling a few people last month that I would really liked to
>>>
On 2021-03-22 16 h 43, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> Le vendredi, 19 mars 2021, 17.49:54 h CET Louis-Philippe Véronneau a écrit :
>> On 2021-03-19 08 h 02, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
I've been telling a few people last month that I would really liked to
have an Enterprise Edition Online MiniD
Le vendredi, 19 mars 2021, 17.49:54 h CET Louis-Philippe Véronneau a écrit :
> On 2021-03-19 08 h 02, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> >> I've been telling a few people last month that I would really liked to
> >> have an Enterprise Edition Online MiniDebConf, unfortunately I don't
> >> have any time/energ
Hi,
On 18/03/21 at 20:44 +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> I've been pondering how it might be possible to spend more of Debian's
> money, and it occurred to me that we could allocate a budget to each DD
> which they could spend on pretty-much anything (as long as, for Debian
> funds, the expenditure i
Sam Hartman writes:
> I'd like to ask you to look at the elephant in the room. This
> conversation came up specifically because we were talking about an
> organization loosely associated with Debian paying some Debian
> developers.
> Yet, you didn't consider any of the middle options in your
>
> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes:
Russ> This is a deep structural problem that we're going to struggle
Russ> to solve with modest changes such as increased efficiency to
Russ> try to make our scaling more sublinear, or increased
Russ> recruitment (of still primarily unpaid vol
Gunnar Wolf writes:
> Debian is very large and diverse, and I know that any generalization
> will underrepresent people. Maybe this would mostly apply to
> long-standing DDs, or whatever. That said, I feel many areas of Debian
> consist of people quite similar to myself -- Fully employed
> profes
> "Gunnar" == Gunnar Wolf writes:
Gunnar> In my case, fortunately my livelihood is guaranteed, and
Gunnar> depending on many things, I will have more or less time
Gunnar> available for the projects in Debian I most care
Gunnar> about... Adding money offers to the mix won't ch
Jonathan Carter dijo [Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 09:16:15PM +0200]:
> On 2021/03/18 19:46, Raphael Hertzog wrote:> I announced this on
> debian-project[1] and on Planet Debian[2] a while ago.
> > But at this point, we have only funded a single project[3], leaving us
> > with more than 25 KEUR available f
Hi Phil,
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021, Philip Hands wrote:
> I've been pondering how it might be possible to spend more of Debian's
> money, and it occurred to me that we could allocate a budget to each DD
> which they could spend on pretty-much anything (as long as, for Debian
> funds, the expenditure is
On 19/03/21 3:59 pm, Enrico Zini wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 09:16:15PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
>
>> I don't think that lack of interest is the problem here, but I do think
>> that Debian contributors tend to be already starved for time, and trying
>> to get them to do more is like tryi
On 19/03/21 1:14 am, Philip Hands wrote:
> ...
> Could it be that people are being protective of their motivation?
I agree with this point. Not all want money as their motivation.
> ...
> I've been pondering how it might be possible to spend more of Debian's
> money, and it occurred to me that we
On 18/03/21 11:16 pm, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Dear DPL candidates,
>
> when I was younger, I dreamed to be paid to do Debian work. But that was
> not possible, and that's the reason why I started my own company Freexian
> 16 years ago. Through those years I always kept this goal in mind (it's
> pa
Adam, I think a more respectful way of including trans members of our
community would be to count them as the gender they identify with
(assuming you know).
You'll still end up with a category for nonbinary of course.
On 2021-03-19 08 h 02, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>> I've been telling a few people last month that I would really liked to
>> have an Enterprise Edition Online MiniDebConf, unfortunately I don't
>> have any time/energy to instigate that currently.
> Something for a Debian fellow that we could hire ;-)
On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 01:42:37PM +0100, Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
> But the Flosspols study of 2005 had already made the point that
> this might be a problem for diversity: there are 10 times more women working
> in proprietary software (~20%) than in free software (~2%)
Data for Debian: 0.9%
Method
Hello,
as said in private some time ago to Raphaël, I find Freexian's
initiative great, and I wish there were more options to get paid to do
Debian work.
On 19.03.21 11:29, Enrico Zini wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 09:16:15PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
I don't think that lack of intere
On 19.03.21 11:29, Enrico Zini wrote:
>> I don't think that lack of interest is the problem here, but I do think
>> that Debian contributors tend to be already starved for time, and trying
>> to get them to do more is like trying to tap water out of an empty well.
>> For some, a financial incentive
Hi,
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> > 1/ How do you explain this lack of interest?
>
> I don't think that lack of interest is the problem here, but I do think
> that Debian contributors tend to be already starved for time, and trying
> to get them to do more is like trying to tap wa
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 09:16:15PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> I don't think that lack of interest is the problem here, but I do think
> that Debian contributors tend to be already starved for time, and trying
> to get them to do more is like trying to tap water out of an empty well.
> For som
On 2021/03/18 23:33, Philip Hands wrote:
> There were enough people keen on that happening that if we'd each had an
> earmarked e.g. 1k budget to allocate, we could have just agreed it
> amongst ourselves, and done it, without a lot of back and forth on the
> lists trying to establish whether there
Jonathan Carter writes:
> On 2021/03/18 21:44, Philip Hands wrote:
>> I've been pondering how it might be possible to spend more of Debian's
>> money, and it occurred to me that we could allocate a budget to each DD
>> which they could spend on pretty-much anything (as long as, for Debian
>> fund
On 2021/03/18 21:44, Philip Hands wrote:
> I've been pondering how it might be possible to spend more of Debian's
> money, and it occurred to me that we could allocate a budget to each DD
> which they could spend on pretty-much anything (as long as, for Debian
> funds, the expenditure is allowed un
Hi Raphael,
I'm not running for DPL, but since you asked...
Raphael Hertzog writes:
> 1/ How do you explain this lack of interest?
>
> I have read recently from other Debian members that they have a feeling
> that Debian is stagnating, and I share that feeling to some degree. If we
> had plans
Hi Raphaël
On 2021/03/18 19:46, Raphael Hertzog wrote:> I announced this on
debian-project[1] and on Planet Debian[2] a while ago.
> But at this point, we have only funded a single project[3], leaving us
> with more than 25 KEUR available for further projects.
>
> I did not expect this lack of in
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