Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: > The proposal was to check based the Maintainer/Uploader field of the > previous .dsc upload to unstable/experimental, and presumably doing the > same thing for the DM-Upload-Allowed: field (or whatever it's called). > > > (This doesn't address the case o

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-27 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:32:59AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > The easiest way to avoid that problem would be to require a new field in > > the package "DM-Upload: okay" to allow DM uploads, as well as an entry > > in the Maintainer:/Uploaders: field. [...] > Agreed. However, you need to chec

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 10:22:48AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > > * Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070625 20:45]: > > > You're already doing that in the sense that > > > uploading such a package already instructs the BTS to forwards filed > > > bu

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-26 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 10:22:48AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070625 20:45]: > > You're already doing that in the sense that > > uploading such a package already instructs the BTS to forwards filed > > bugs to that person. > For that there luckily is pts s

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-26 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070625 20:45]: > You're already doing that in the sense that > uploading such a package already instructs the BTS to forwards filed > bugs to that person. For that there luckily is pts subscription available. (So those bugs cannot be hidden by closing them befo

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 05:13:35PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > To the DM proposers: Does the suggestion in the current form mean that I > will no longer be allowed to sponser anyone out of fear he might become > DM and thus said he is capable enough to maintain this type of package. If you up

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 12:53 +0200, Benjamin BAYART wrote: > Le Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 09:50:37PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG: > > > > > Yes. So, the right solution if I want to help is: > > > - first I spend a lot of time proving that I'm skilled enough to read > > > crazy licenses in a language th

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Benjamin BAYART <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070625 13:14]: > If you read back to the DM proposal, it is clearly stated that a DM is > not allowed to upload a NEW package. So, the approach is not wanting to > package&upload anything but a given package. But licenses are nothing fixed. Upstream can decid

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 12:53:10PM +0200, Benjamin BAYART wrote: > Le Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 09:50:37PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG: > > > - then I spend another lot of time proving I'm skilled enough to package > > > complex stuff unrelated to my current skills (say python stuff, which > > > I kn

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Benjamin BAYART
Le Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 09:50:37PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG: > > > Yes. So, the right solution if I want to help is: > > - first I spend a lot of time proving that I'm skilled enough to read > > crazy licenses in a language that is not mine > > No, you only have to do this if you want to pack

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Frank Küster
Benjamin BAYART <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> So here was my practical conclusion: I did send a bug report, useless >>> during months, and that bug report was used to argue that the package >>> is >>> broken and unkaintained and to remove it. Conclusion: reporting on a >>> un-maintained package i

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Joey Schulze
Benjamin BAYART wrote: > Another case come back in my mind: pandora. Those fonts have been > available with TeX since years and years. They have been removed from > Debian/main for good reasons (wrong license: free for non commercial use). > In my mind, in such a case, it should be mandatory to mov

Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Benjamin BAYART
>> So here was my practical conclusion: I did send a bug report, useless >> during months, and that bug report was used to argue that the package >> is >> broken and unkaintained and to remove it. Conclusion: reporting on a >> un-maintained package is something dangerous. > >Hm, what was the severi

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Frank Küster
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> - then I am granted the right to help fixing the bug I found a few >> months ago > > No, you don't have to do that to help fix the bug. To help fix the bug, > all you have to do is post a patch on the bug log. Which is what he did. > If you t

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
> Yes. So, the right solution if I want to help is: > - first I spend a lot of time proving that I'm skilled enough to read > crazy licenses in a language that is not mine No, you only have to do this if you want to package software and upload it into the archive without review. > - then I spe

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Joey Schulze
Pierre Habouzit wrote: > If you are _that_ interested in helping the TeX packaging team, join > it, I think it's co-maintained on alioth, you just need an alioth > account, it takes a few minutes to have one, and you'll have to ask the > pkg-tex people to give you commits rights, which should do

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 04:48:22PM +0200, Benjamin BAYART wrote: > That is probably a good way to shape a young contributor begginning in > free software contributions. I would probably have done that, 15 years > ago. But nowadays, I'm involved in a lot of projects, some are of > importance, at lea

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Benjamin BAYART <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070624 17:11]: > Yes. So, the right solution if I want to help is: > - first I spend a lot of time proving that I'm skilled enough to read > crazy licenses in a language that is not mine There is hardly any package thinkable, where one can be sure the maint

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Joey Schulze
Benjamin, it seems to me that neither NM nor DM is suited for you. Reporting broken stuff and optionally attaching a patch later or at the same time is the way to go. In case of TeX packages, there's the TeX maintainer team that will probably take care of your fix. In case of other packages, wh

Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Benjamin BAYART
> I do not think that this is a fair characterisation of what is required > of > being a DD. There's no requirement to read any list except > debian-devel-announce, which has less than one post per day on average. > There's no need to get involved in licensing discussions, except of > course > w

Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Benjamin BAYART
> For me, "I do want to be part of Debian anymore" does not coincide with > "I > want to upload to Debian". Someone who uploads to Debian *is* part of > the > community. > > I see no reason to vote for a proposal that facilitates people who > explicitly > denounce Debian to be granted rights to