Hello,
On Mon, 17.11.2008 at 09:38:19 -0600, Manoj Srivastava
wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17 2008, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Can the Secretary clarify again what will hapen if Peter's option is voted ?
>
> That GR clearly refines the DFSG statement that all programs
> need source code. This
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 03:03:42PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >> I think the only way to reconcile the constitution with the GR
> >> is to have a 3:1 vote, and subsequently to modify the foundation
> >> document. We can't just supersede
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 09:29:06AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 17 2008, Stephen Gran wrote:
>
>> > This one time, at band camp, Josselin Mouette said:
>> >> Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 14:05 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
>> >> > Thi
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 09:29:06AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17 2008, Stephen Gran wrote:
> > This one time, at band camp, Josselin Mouette said:
> >> Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 14:05 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
> >> > This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded.
>
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 09:14:41PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>> > The foundation documents are like the law. This GR is like a "decree of
>> > the government" that tells us how the law will be
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 09:14:41PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > The foundation documents are like the law. This GR is like a "decree of
> > the government" that tells us how the law will be applied.
>
> A decree of the government does not d
Le Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 09:38:19AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
> On Mon, Nov 17 2008, Charles Plessy wrote:
>
> > the problem is that we were told that voting for your amendment makes
> > it necessary to organise a vote to change the DFSG or the SC… I really
> > understand your position, but
Ean Schuessler wrote:
> I'm sorry, but I am dense. Please help me understand. If I have a
> Microsoft device and they provide an opensource Linux installer which
> ships a Windows Mobile based firmware then how would this not meet your
> distribution criteria? When considering Silverlight(tm) devel
- "Frans Pop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ean, with all due respect, but I find your contributions to this
> discussion way below par as apparently you can't even be bothered to read
> the proposals under discussion.
>
> We are NOT discussing a blanket waiver of all DFSG or SC criteria for
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 09:14:41PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> The foundation documents are like the law. This GR is like a "decree of
> the government" that tells us how the law will be applied.
A decree of the government does not do that. It gives supplemental rules and
regulations compatib
Ean Schuessler wrote:
> So it would be legitimate to distribute an install image for Windows
> Mobile cellular phones as a package in main? After all, its "firmware".
> The device won't be running Debian. It will almost certainly have a
> different architecture than the desktop. Lots of people have
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17 2008, Stephen Gran wrote:
>
> > This one time, at band camp, Josselin Mouette said:
> >> Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 14:05 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
> >> > This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded.
> >>
> >> The Secret
Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 13:26 -0600, Ean Schuessler a écrit :
> > No, the proposal wouldn’t allow that since it only lifts DFSG #2. Such
> > an image would still fail DFSG #1, #3, #7, and probably #5 and #6.
>
> No, it would not. The image is "firmware" and is not subject to DFSG
> requiremen
- "Josselin Mouette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 13:01 -0600, Ean Schuessler a écrit :
>
> No, the proposal wouldn’t allow that since it only lifts DFSG #2. Such
> an image would still fail DFSG #1, #3, #7, and probably #5 and #6.
No, it would not. The image is "
Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 13:01 -0600, Ean Schuessler a écrit :
> So it would be legitimate to distribute an install image for Windows
> Mobile cellular phones as a package in main?
No, the proposal wouldn’t allow that since it only lifts DFSG #2. Such
an image would still fail DFSG #1, #3, #7,
- "Michael Banck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure there is, the RAID controller doesn't run Debian GNU/Linux; it just
> runs some uploaded microcode. Your blade will run Debian GNU/Linux (or
> whatever else you hand it to).
So it would be legitimate to distribute an install image for Windo
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Ean Schuessler wrote:
> - "Peter Palfrader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded.
>>
>> If anybody wants to change the words of either the DFSG or the SC
>> they will need to propose an amendmend.
>>
* Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [081117 18:02]:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 04:50:50PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> > And who is going to modify it if the original vote does not include a
> > wording?
>
> If a vote supersedes a part of a foundation document but does not specify
> editi
* Manoj Srivastava [Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:38:19 -0600]:
> The interesting question is if Peter's options wins the 3:1
> majority, but loses to another option on the ballot. I suppose a second
> vote can then be proposed separately to add the firmware exception to
> the DFSG.
Is only inte
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 08:44:45AM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote:
> A desktop with a "host cpu" and components with "firmware" is directly
> analogous to a small cluster of computers. There is no *real*
> difference between a host programming its RAID controller and a
> cluster manager handing a blad
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 04:50:50PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> And who is going to modify it if the original vote does not include a
> wording?
If a vote supersedes a part of a foundation document but does not specify
editing instructions, I believe the only correct thing to do is to add the
act
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 04:50:50PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> * Manoj Srivastava [Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:32:33 -0600]:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 17 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote:
>
> > > * Josselin Mouette [Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:38:43 +0100]:
>
> > >> Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 14:05 +0100, Peter Palfrader a
* Manoj Srivastava [Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:32:33 -0600]:
> On Mon, Nov 17 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> > * Josselin Mouette [Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:38:43 +0100]:
> >> Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 14:05 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
> >> > This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded.
> >> The
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:19:49PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
>
> Can the Secretary clarify again what will hapen if Peter's option is voted ?
>
> - What if Peter does not think that a second vote is necessary, but the
>Secretary does ?
> - What if a second vote is organised, but not opti
On Mon, Nov 17 2008, Charles Plessy wrote:
> the problem is that we were told that voting for your amendment makes
> it necessary to organise a vote to change the DFSG or the SC… I really
> understand your position, but apparently it is not me or you who
> decides.
> Can the Secretary clarify aga
On Mon, Nov 17 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> * Josselin Mouette [Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:38:43 +0100]:
>
>> Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 14:05 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
>> > This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded.
>
>> The Secretary made it clear that if your proposal wins, the SC *wi
On Mon, Nov 17 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>
>> > This will need wording to change the SC
>>
>> Since the proponents have not yet formulated a new version for the
>> changes to the foundation documents, here it is.
>
> This is not part of my
On Mon, Nov 17 2008, Stephen Gran wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Josselin Mouette said:
>> Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 14:05 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
>> > This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded.
>>
>> The Secretary made it clear that if your proposal wins, the SC *will*
- "Peter Palfrader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded.
>
> If anybody wants to change the words of either the DFSG or the SC they
> will need to propose an amendmend.
>
> As proposed this clarifies my and other people's view of what our
> foundat
This one time, at band camp, Josselin Mouette said:
> Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 14:05 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
> > This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded.
>
> The Secretary made it clear that if your proposal wins, the SC *will* be
> amended.
As has been pointed out elsewher
* Josselin Mouette [Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:38:43 +0100]:
> Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 14:05 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
> > This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded.
> The Secretary made it clear that if your proposal wins, the SC *will* be
> amended.
> Therefore I think we should d
Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 14:05 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
> This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded.
The Secretary made it clear that if your proposal wins, the SC *will* be
amended.
Therefore I think we should decide on a new wording before the vote
instead of letting someone
Le Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 02:05:40PM +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
>
> If anybody wants to change the words of either the DFSG or the SC they
> will need to propose an amendmend.
>
> As proposed this clarifies my and other people's view of what our
> foundation documents mean. You are welcome t
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > This will need wording to change the SC
>
> Since the proponents have not yet formulated a new version for the
> changes to the foundation documents, here it is.
This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded.
If anybody wants to chan
Le samedi 15 novembre 2008 à 09:45 -0600, Debian Project Secretary a
écrit :
> ,[ Proposal 6: Exclude source requirements from firmware (defined) ]
> | Firmware is data such as microcode or lookup tables that is loaded into
> | hardware components in order to make the component function properl
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