Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-12-31 Thread Anand Kumria
On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Martin Schulze wrote: > Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > Goswin Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > What are the reasons for ever not letting new maintainers in? > > > > There are none, I agree. > > > > I'm very disappointed that Wichert has failed to reopen New > > Mai

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-12-30 Thread Michael Meskes
On Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 11:56:26PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > Wichert hasn't failed for that and this is not Wicherts fault. Don't > make it one. Wichert, Dwarf and myself were discussing things recently. Great. This whole new maintainer stuff gets us lots of bad publicity. Don't you think i

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-12-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Wichert hasn't failed for that and this is not Wicherts fault. Don't > make it one. Wichert, Dwarf and myself were discussing things recently. OK. Whose fault is it? What were the result of the discussions? Thomas

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-12-29 Thread Martin Schulze
Adam Di Carlo wrote: > Goswin Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > What are the reasons for ever not letting new maintainers in? > > There are none, I agree. > > I'm very disappointed that Wichert has failed to reopen New > Maintainer. This is the biggest failure of his tenure thus far,

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-12-29 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Goswin Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What are the reasons for ever not letting new maintainers in? There are none, I agree. I'm very disappointed that Wichert has failed to reopen New Maintainer. This is the biggest failure of his tenure thus far, IMHO. -- .Adam Di [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-29 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Edward Brocklesby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [1 ] > Hi, > > The attached document details a modification written by Zephaniah E. Hull > and I, which I am proposing as an amendment to the Debian Constitution. > This hopefully solves one or two problems we have identified in Debian, > namely cl

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 07:53:25AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > > Well, maybe because all but 1 people tried to help technically > instead of working on the issue on the proper stage. (sorry, can't > express it like I want). Assuming there are issues beside the technical one, something I am not

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-02 Thread Julian Gilbey
> > But the number of people who volunteered to join the NM team was > > substantial, and yet all were turned down by the then team. However, > > I think feelings within the project and probably the project itself > > would have been far more badly hurt by resorting to a vote than by > > waiting f

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-02 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 02:52:17PM +, Philip Hands wrote: > Edward Brocklesby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Please offer sensible, well considered, useful comments. Replies from > > rude, abrasive people (you know who you are) will be ignored. > > How very diplomatic of you ;-) > > >

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-02 Thread Martin Schulze
Julian Gilbey wrote: > > If you don't like the fact that the Delegates have chosen to close > > new-maintainer, and are too lazy to actually get off your arse to do > > the job yourself but not too lazy to make a fuss, then you can use > [...] > > But the number of people who volunteered to join t

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-02 Thread Steve Greenland
On 01-Nov-99, 01:05 (CST), Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anthony Towns wrote: > > This doesn't do anything to address the real issue (getting > > new-maintainers back on its feet), and only seems to give people something > > to point to when whining about how everyone else isn't doin

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-02 Thread Julian Gilbey
> If you don't like the fact that the Delegates have chosen to close > new-maintainer, and are too lazy to actually get off your arse to do > the job yourself but not too lazy to make a fuss, then you can use [...] But the number of people who volunteered to join the NM team was substantial, and y

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-01 Thread Philip Hands
Edward Brocklesby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Please offer sensible, well considered, useful comments. Replies from > rude, abrasive people (you know who you are) will be ignored. How very diplomatic of you ;-) > 3. The Project Leader's Delegate(s) may decide not to admit any new >

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-01 Thread Ian Jackson
> The attached document details a modification written by Zephaniah E. Hull > and I, which I am proposing as an amendment to the Debian Constitution. > This hopefully solves one or two problems we have identified in Debian, > namely closed teams (new-maintainer, ftp maint etc.), stagnation of these

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-01 Thread Martin Schulze
Anthony Towns wrote: > This doesn't do anything to address the real issue (getting > new-maintainers back on its feet), and only seems to give people something > to point to when whining about how everyone else isn't doing everything > for them. Agreed. Regards, Joey -- A mathematician

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 03:09:31PM +, Edward Brocklesby wrote: > This hopefully solves one or two problems we have identified in Debian, > namely closed teams (new-maintainer, ftp maint etc.), stagnation of these > teams, and the current issue of new maintainer being closed. A proposal never s

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-10-31 Thread Seth R Arnold
Edward, I can understand your frustration at these various places, but it seems that asking for a 3:1 majority is similar to "we don't ever want this to happen, but lets look like we should allow it." Perhaps if the ratio were to be lower, 2:1, or replaced with "consensus" which appears in other p