Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure, and the obituaries are a discrimination on the basis of death.
Not a type of descrimination that I object to, as I could easily
die if I wanted to. ($DEITY knows, I spend enough time keeping alive.)
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>No, I think you see it but you disagree whether the directory
>of women or the current list charter is discriminating on the
>basis of sex, and the severity or remedies of past incidents.
Sure, and the obituaries are a discrimination on the basis of death.
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On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 02:30:07AM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> No, I think you see it but you disagree whether the directory
> of women or the current list charter is discriminating on the
> basis of sex, and the severity or remedies of past incidents.
There's pages in the mail archives where only peop
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
> They're trying to find out why women aren't as actively involved in
> Debian as are men, so that they can remedy any problems, should those
> arise.
I support them doing that.
> In doing so, it isn't unreasonable to see what women currently
> inv
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You haven't said anything sexist about it, except that it has a clear
> > purpose.
>
> I have, IMO. I consider discrimination on the basis of sex to be sexism.
Except that it doesn't discriminate on the basis
Op ma, 07-03-2005 te 02:09 +, schreef MJ Ray:
> Arguing in favour of so-called "positive discrimination" is just
> another case of ignoring present crimes by past-persecuted people.
I cannot agree more with that statement; "positive discrimination" is
just discrimination like anything else, an
Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 02:09:26AM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Arguing in favour of so-called "positive discrimination" is just
> > another case of ignoring present crimes by past-persecuted people.
> > We have to learn from the past and overcome mistakes, n
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 02:09:26AM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> Ben Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I have, IMO. I consider discrimination on the basis of sex to be sexism.
> > i.e., you favour the law of the jungle. Which, may I say, has a fine
> > history of maintaining artificial imbalances c
Ben Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have, IMO. I consider discrimination on the basis of sex to be sexism.
> i.e., you favour the law of the jungle. Which, may I say, has a fine
> history of maintaining artificial imbalances caused by past injustices.
No, I favour stopping discrimination
> > You haven't said anything sexist about it, except that it has a clear
> > purpose.
>
> I have, IMO. I consider discrimination on the basis of sex to be sexism.
i.e., you favour the law of the jungle. Which, may I say, has a fine
history of maintaining artificial imbalances caused by past in
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You haven't said anything sexist about it, except that it has a clear
> purpose.
I have, IMO. I consider discrimination on the basis of sex to be sexism.
I've also described an incident of unchallenged racism on the
debian-women list. While I believ
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > No. Some restrictions on topic are reasonable, some are not.
> [...]
> > Maybe you should ask for debian-misogynists or something.
>
> I am not a misogynist. I believe sexism cannot cure sexism and I
> consid
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No. Some restrictions on topic are reasonable, some are not.
[...]
> Maybe you should ask for debian-misogynists or something.
I am not a misogynist. I believe sexism cannot cure sexism and I
consider the current setup of debian-women sexist beyond
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Once again, your complaint is about a topic restriction, not a
> > restriction on who is allowed to address that topic.
>
> Cool, so declaring all discussions and collaboration involving
> women "off-topic" fo
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 12:55:49AM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > A page about people that only admits contributions from women.
> > What's the URL, please?
>
> http://women.alioth.debian.org/profiles/
I have a pa
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Once again, your complaint is about a topic restriction, not a
> restriction on who is allowed to address that topic.
Cool, so declaring all discussions and collaboration involving
women "off-topic" for debian-www would be fine with you?
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Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it possible to just chill out on the chicks? [...]
It's just an example of some general problems (and not one I raised).
> Would you have a problem with blind Debianers creating such a list? Nazis or
> terrorists sure, but ladies!?! [...]
For at le
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > A page about people that only admits contributions from women.
> > What's the URL, please?
>
> http://women.alioth.debian.org/profiles/
I believe anyone can *contribut
Is it possible to just chill out on the chicks? Can't the girls brave enough
to wade into our computerized backwater have a little something of their own
without all this trouble?
The very few women in Debian put up a page that lists those women and men
aren't listed on it because it is a list
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > A page about people that only admits contributions from women.
> What's the URL, please?
http://women.alioth.debian.org/profiles/
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MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What is a "women-only" web page?
>
> A page about people that only admits contributions from women.
What's the URL, please?
> > Where is the list charter for debian-women "women-only"?
>
> Being about or by
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is a "women-only" web page?
A page about people that only admits contributions from women.
> Where is the list charter for debian-women "women-only"?
Being about or by women are the only topicality criteria for debian-women,
last I saw.
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MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm not going to continue the off-topic direction that you're
> trying to take this in, but I highlight the *tense* of what
> I wrote compared to your claim, question whether DWWN shows
> anything to the larger Debian community and wonder how you
> are avoiding
Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are four points. Of those, three are being done already, namely
^^
> the first [1],[2] third [3][4][5] and fourth [6]. There are many other
> such references on the Debian Women webpages and ma
Sorry, this is definitely OT for -vote. But I wanted to clarify the
follwing comment, which has been made repeatedly on this thread, incase
anyone is actually wondering about it.
MJ Ray wrote:
I think it's a problem that most of the points under how to
avoid being sexist haven't actually been done
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