Re: Geez.

2002-11-17 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 08:32:00PM -0600, Chris Lawrence wrote: > IIRC the adoption of Condorcet voting predates that web site; your > best bet would be to go through the mailing list archives and find the > discussions that led to the constitution (which predate my involvement > in the project, II

Re: Geez.

2002-11-17 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 08:32:00PM -0600, Chris Lawrence wrote: > IIRC the adoption of Condorcet voting predates that web site; your > best bet would be to go through the mailing list archives and find the > discussions that led to the constitution (which predate my involvement > in the project, II

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Nathanael Nerode: > The site's claim that Approval voting doesn't satisfy the Condorcet > Criterion is facile and inaccurate. With approval voting, for every > preference order there are multiple 'cut-offs' which can be chosen by > voters based on strength of preference and other criteria,

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Nathanael Nerode: > The site's claim that Approval voting doesn't satisfy the Condorcet > Criterion is facile and inaccurate. With approval voting, for every > preference order there are multiple 'cut-offs' which can be chosen by > voters based on strength of preference and other criteria,

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:33:34PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. > > How was it chosen in the first place anyway? 200+ plus years of watching broken U.S. elections. -- G. Branden Robinson|A celibate clergy is an es

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Nov 15, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > I won't push my own views any further; this isn't really meant to start > a long argument over preferred election methods, which are as bad as OS > wars. But thanks for pointing out the website which you made your > decision from; it's all was I really askin

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Nathanael Nerode: Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. How was it chosen in the first place anyway? Voting algorithms should obey some stringent anti-politicking and plain-common-sense restrictions. See http://electionmethods.org/evaluation

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:33:34PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. > > How was it chosen in the first place anyway? 200+ plus years of watching broken U.S. elections. -- G. Branden Robinson|A celibate clergy is an es

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Nov 15, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > I won't push my own views any further; this isn't really meant to start > a long argument over preferred election methods, which are as bad as OS > wars. But thanks for pointing out the website which you made your > decision from; it's all was I really askin

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Nathanael Nerode: Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. How was it chosen in the first place anyway? Voting algorithms should obey some stringent anti-politicking and plain-common-sense restrictions. See http://electionmethods.org/evaluation.

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:33:34PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. > > How was it chosen in the first place anyway? I'm not sure if you're talking about the existing constitution or the proposed change. You don't say. If you're really in

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:33:34PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. > > How was it chosen in the first place anyway? I'm not sure if you're talking about the existing constitution or the proposed change. You don't say. If you're really in

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Nathanael Nerode: > Still wondering how the voting system was picked. > ... didn't you get my email? -- Matthias Urlichs | noris network AG | http://smurf.noris.de/ pgpO5TNCqcVdh.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Nathanael Nerode: > Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. > > How was it chosen in the first place anyway? > Voting algorithms should obey some stringent anti-politicking and plain-common-sense restrictions. See http://electionmethods.org/evaluation.htm for one list of s

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Nathanael Nerode: > Still wondering how the voting system was picked. > ... didn't you get my email? -- Matthias Urlichs | noris network AG | http://smurf.noris.de/ msg01926/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Nathanael Nerode: > Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. > > How was it chosen in the first place anyway? > Voting algorithms should obey some stringent anti-politicking and plain-common-sense restrictions. See http://electionmethods.org/evaluation.htm for one list of s

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 02:15:52AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > >What would ever give you the idea that we try to avoid schisms? > Obviously you don't. :-) *I* do, which is why I like approval voting. > Still wondering how the voting system was picked. It's the state of the art in election s

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:33:34PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. How was it chosen in the first place anyway? (Personally, I'm an approval voting fan. Easy to understand, and particularly good when the mos

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:33:34PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. > How was it chosen in the first place anyway? > (Personally, I'm an approval voting fan. Easy to understand, and > particularly good when the most important thing is to

Re: Geez.

2002-11-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 02:15:52AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > >What would ever give you the idea that we try to avoid schisms? > Obviously you don't. :-) *I* do, which is why I like approval voting. > Still wondering how the voting system was picked. It's the state of the art in election s

Re: Geez.

2002-11-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:33:34PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. How was it chosen in the first place anyway? (Personally, I'm an approval voting fan. Easy to understand, and particularly good when the mos

Re: Geez.

2002-11-14 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:33:34PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. > How was it chosen in the first place anyway? > (Personally, I'm an approval voting fan. Easy to understand, and > particularly good when the most important thing is to

Geez.

2002-11-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. How was it chosen in the first place anyway? (Personally, I'm an approval voting fan. Easy to understand, and particularly good when the most important thing is to avoid causing a furious schism.) --Nathanael

Geez.

2002-11-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Yow, Debian uses a ludicrously complicated voting system. How was it chosen in the first place anyway? (Personally, I'm an approval voting fan. Easy to understand, and particularly good when the most important thing is to avoid causing a furious schism.) --Nathanael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, emai