Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-09-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 01:12:56PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Aurelien Jarno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Given the latest mail from Anthony Towns ("Firmware & Social Contract: > > GR proposal"), it looks like I was correct. He just try to stop this > > GR by proposing his own one. > > The D

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-09-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 01:12:56PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Aurelien Jarno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Given the latest mail from Anthony Towns ("Firmware & Social Contract: > > GR proposal"), it looks like I was correct. He just try to stop this > > GR by proposing his own one. > > The D

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-09-05 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Aurelien Jarno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Given the latest mail from Anthony Towns ("Firmware & Social Contract: > GR proposal"), it looks like I was correct. He just try to stop this > GR by proposing his own one. The DPL has the same right as the other developers to propose GR's that he feels

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-09-05 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Joey Hess a écrit : Aurelien Jarno wrote: Not also that I found sad that the DPL try to kill this GR with his latest mail to debian-announce. The problem is known for a long time. How does posting straw polls of our users and developers to d-d-a manage to look to you like an attempt to stop t

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-31 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 01:01:45AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > and probably the absense of > > initramfs support, as we have now. > > Yes, there was some complaint about the lack of easy support for > installing the firmware in the initrd. Which is not technically a b

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-30 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Sven Luther wrote: > I heard claims of buginess in the patch, The buggy one was my radeon patch. It's rather hard to get right because of the complex interaction between X and the kernel, and because the DRI trunk doesn't like Linux-specific things, and we never did track down the problem. I'm

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:11:50PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > I propose the following amendment to Steve's proposal. > > > >> THE DEBIAN PROJECT therefore, > >> > >> 1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to > >> our

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-30 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Josselin Mouette wrote: > I propose the following amendment to Steve's proposal. > >> THE DEBIAN PROJECT therefore, >> >> 1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to >> our >> users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG; and >> >> 2. encourag

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 29 août 2006 à 14:15 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : > > If he wanted to help, it should have been done that before, not a 3 > > months before the announced date of the release. And also not while > > proposals are beeing discussed. He just want to be awarded because he > > found a solution t

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-29 Thread Joey Hess
Aurelien Jarno wrote: > Not also that I found sad that the DPL try to kill this GR with his > latest mail to debian-announce. The problem is known for a long time. How does posting straw polls of our users and developers to d-d-a manage to look to you like an attempt to stop this GR? > If he wa

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-29 Thread Aurelien Jarno
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 11:37:20AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > I propose the following amendment to Steve's proposal. > > > THE DEBIAN PROJECT therefore, > > > > 1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to our > > users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-29 Thread Julien Danjou
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 11:37:20AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > I propose the following amendment to Steve's proposal. > > > THE DEBIAN PROJECT therefore, > > > > 1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to our > > users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-29 Thread Julien Danjou
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 11:37:20AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > I propose the following amendment to Steve's proposal. > > > THE DEBIAN PROJECT therefore, > > > > 1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to our > > users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > 3. supports the decision of the Release Team to require works such > > as > > images, video, and fonts to be licensed in compliance with the DFSG without > > requiring source code for these works under DFSG #2; and > > 4. determines t

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-29 Thread Julien BLACHE
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I propose the following amendment to Steve's proposal. [...] > 4. determines that as a special exception to DFSG #2, the source code > for device firmwares contained in the kernel packages will not be > required as long as there are no other tech

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-28 Thread Clément Stenac
Hi, > I propose the following amendment to Steve's proposal. > > > THE DEBIAN PROJECT therefore, > > > > 1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to our > > users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG; and > > > > 2. encourages authors of all works to

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-28 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le sam 26 août 2006 11:37, Josselin Mouette a écrit : > I propose the following amendment to Steve's proposal. > > > THE DEBIAN PROJECT therefore, > > > > 1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system > > to our users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG; and > > > >

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical ?limitations

2006-08-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >Rationale: most of us want to release etch ASAP, and most of us want to >> >remove the firmwares from the kernel ASAP. This is a way that shouldn't >> This is false: most of us do not mind at all distributing sourceless >> (or even not modifiable) firmwares in the kern

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical ?limitations

2006-08-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 11:50:11AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > >Rationale: most of us want to release etch ASAP, and most of us want to > >remove the firmwares from the kernel ASAP. This is a way that shouldn't > This is false: most of us do not mind at all distributing sourceless > (or even not m

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical ?limitations

2006-08-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 26 août 2006 à 11:50 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit : > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Rationale: most of us want to release etch ASAP, and most of us want to > >remove the firmwares from the kernel ASAP. This is a way that shouldn't > This is false: most of us do not mind at all distributin

Re: Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical ?limitations

2006-08-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Rationale: most of us want to release etch ASAP, and most of us want to >remove the firmwares from the kernel ASAP. This is a way that shouldn't This is false: most of us do not mind at all distributing sourceless (or even not modifiable) firmwares in the kernel packages.

Amendment: special exception for firmware because of technical limitations

2006-08-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
I propose the following amendment to Steve's proposal. > THE DEBIAN PROJECT therefore, > > 1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to our > users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG; and > > 2. encourages authors of all works to make those works avai