Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-14 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Jan 13, 2004, at 08:25, Dale E Martin wrote: 5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards Should this say "Software that doesn't" instead? Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but does documentation == software? No, not all software is documen

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-14 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Jan 13, 2004, at 08:25, Dale E Martin wrote: 5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards Should this say "Software that doesn't" instead? Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but does documentation == software? No, not all software is documentation. H

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-13 Thread Dale E Martin
> However, if that's not clear to people, the proper place to address that > question would be in the DFSG. That's a very good point, agreed. Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available signature.asc Descr

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-13 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-01-13 13:25:52 + Dale E Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards Should this say "Software that doesn't" instead? Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but does documentation == software? [...] No, b

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-13 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 08:25:52AM -0500, Dale E Martin wrote: > Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but does > documentation == software? If we're cleaning up the social contract, I > wonder if we need to go one step further. "Software and data that does > not", or

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-13 Thread Dale E Martin
> > 5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards > > Should this say "Software that doesn't" instead? Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but does documentation == software? If we're cleaning up the social contract, I wonder if we need to go one step fu

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-13 Thread Dale E Martin
> However, if that's not clear to people, the proper place to address that > question would be in the DFSG. That's a very good point, agreed. Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available signature.asc Descr

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-13 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-01-13 13:25:52 + Dale E Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards Should this say "Software that doesn't" instead? Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but does documentation == software? [...] No, but equ

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-13 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 08:25:52AM -0500, Dale E Martin wrote: > Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but does > documentation == software? If we're cleaning up the social contract, I > wonder if we need to go one step further. "Software and data that does > not", or

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-13 Thread Dale E Martin
> > 5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards > > Should this say "Software that doesn't" instead? Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but does documentation == software? If we're cleaning up the social contract, I wonder if we need to go one step fu

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 08:33:21AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > I'd like to call for seconds on this proposal, [especially from Sven > and Hamish, if this new one meets your requirements]. I certainly support this in principal and will await your final version before signing a second. Also I must p

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 08:33:21AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > I'd like to call for seconds on this proposal, [especially from Sven > and Hamish, if this new one meets your requirements]. I certainly support this in principal and will await your final version before signing a second. Also I must p

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:35:51PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > I second this proposal. Thanks. But, um... since I got the name of LSB wrong, I'm going to have to re-issue the proposal again. I think, when I re-issue it tonight, I'll ask for a delay on seconding, just in case there's anything els

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 06:30:48PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > I submit that this was written without any consideration of the > > > discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year. On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 01:39:30PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > That's a non-issue, as near as I c

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Sven Luther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | |I propose the following resolution: | |We will replace our social contract with two documents, as specified |by the recent constitutional amendment. The first replacement document |will be the social contract below, and the second replacement docum

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 01:39:30PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 06:30:48PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > I submit that this was written without any consideration of the > > discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year. > > That's a non-issue, as near as I can

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:35:51PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > I second this proposal. Thanks. But, um... since I got the name of LSB wrong, I'm going to have to re-issue the proposal again. I think, when I re-issue it tonight, I'll ask for a delay on seconding, just in case there's anything els

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 06:30:48PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > I submit that this was written without any consideration of the > > > discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year. On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 01:39:30PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > That's a non-issue, as near as I c

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Sven Luther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | |I propose the following resolution: | |We will replace our social contract with two documents, as specified |by the recent constitutional amendment. The first replacement document |will be the social contract below, and the second replacement docum

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 01:39:30PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 06:30:48PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > I submit that this was written without any consideration of the > > discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year. > > That's a non-issue, as near as I can

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 07:43:55PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of software > > that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We > > support interoperability standards such as "Linux System Base", and > >

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 08:33:21AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > This proposal serves as a replacement for my earlier proposals: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01122.html > one which is not yet in the mailing list archives,

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 07:43:55PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of software > > that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We > > support interoperability standards such as "Linux System Base", and > >

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 08:33:21AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > This proposal serves as a replacement for my earlier proposals: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01122.html > one which is not yet in the mailing list archives,

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 06:30:48PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > I submit that this was written without any consideration of the > discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year. That's a non-issue, as near as I can tell. If there's some problem you're trying to solve, please specify

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
I submit that this was written without any consideration of the discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Desc

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 06:30:48PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > I submit that this was written without any consideration of the > discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year. That's a non-issue, as near as I can tell. If there's some problem you're trying to solve, please specify

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
I submit that this was written without any consideration of the discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Desc

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
The biggest reason for my most recent proposal is to make the social contract say what it is that we've been doing in the context of non-free. However, I've addressed a number of more minor problems [for example, removing references to specific technologies, such as "GNU/Linux", "FTP" and "CDs", a

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
Comments on my most recent proposal. The proposal consists of four kinds of changes: [A] Making the social contract more generic than Linux. This means changing the meta-title (the first line of the document) from "Debian GNU/Linux Social Contract" to "Debian's Social Contract", and making a si

[Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- This proposal serves as a replacement for my earlier proposals: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01122.html one which is not yet in the mailing list archives, but which is quoted at http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/de

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
The biggest reason for my most recent proposal is to make the social contract say what it is that we've been doing in the context of non-free. However, I've addressed a number of more minor problems [for example, removing references to specific technologies, such as "GNU/Linux", "FTP" and "CDs", a

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
Comments on my most recent proposal. The proposal consists of four kinds of changes: [A] Making the social contract more generic than Linux. This means changing the meta-title (the first line of the document) from "Debian GNU/Linux Social Contract" to "Debian's Social Contract", and making a si

[Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- This proposal serves as a replacement for my earlier proposals: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01122.html one which is not yet in the mailing list archives, but which is quoted at http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/de