Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-09 Thread Xavier Roche
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > Well, maybe the wording was not deceptive enough ? > Maybe people should get re-acquinted with GR 2004-04 and its results before > they bring up GR 2004-03, even for jokes. No, no. The funny joke is to modify the constitution with a decept

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-09 Thread Xavier Roche
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 09 février 2006 à 11:12 +0100, Xavier Roche a écrit : > > Maybe we could suggest another "editorial change" and revert to the > > previous wording (not everything is software) > This has already been voted. An

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-09 Thread Xavier Roche
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006, Jérôme Marant wrote: > I'd propose to revert this and clearly define what software is. I fully agree. The "Holier than Stallman" stuff is really getting ridiculous. After the firmware madeness, now the documentation madeness. And after that, the font madeness maybe ? (after all

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-09 Thread Xavier Roche
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Well, maybe the people who mislabeled the "everything is software" vote > as an "editorial change" and deceived many other developers should have > tought about this. Maybe we could suggest another "editorial change" and revert to the previous wording (not

Re: Amendment: GFDL is compatible with DFSG

2006-01-23 Thread Xavier Roche
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 01:45:40AM +0200, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > Hereby I am proposing an amendment to the GR about GFDL opened by > Anthony Towns [Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:02:04 +1000] > GNU Free Documentation License protects the freedom, > it is compatible with Debian Free Software Guidelines I sec

Re: amd64 and sarge

2004-07-27 Thread Xavier Roche
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Philip Charles wrote: > Admins are not the only people interested in 64-bit. > Why not release r1 (r2, rx) when amd64 is ready? Whould it realy matter > if there were minimal changes in the other archs provided that amd64 was > released asap? This is exactly what I was sugges

Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

2004-07-13 Thread Xavier Roche
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 02:43:59PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > recognizing that the AMD64-based architectures are likely to become the > most widespread on personal computers and workstations in a near future, > > hereby resolves: Seconded. It's high time to push AMD64 on production. pgpID

Re: Proposal - Statement that Sarge will follow Woody requirement for main.

2004-05-23 Thread Xavier Roche
On Sat, 22 May 2004, Graham Wilson wrote: > "On the question on what software should be allowed in the main section > of our archive (The official Debian distribution) for our forthcoming > release code-named Sarge, we resolve that all programs must meet the I assume programs != firmwares >

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-10 Thread Xavier Roche
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: > * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second >this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? Yes, seconded. > Craig Sanders proposed the following resolution [1] (reformatted): > ---

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-09 Thread Xavier Roche
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: > * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second >this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? Yes, seconded. > Craig Sanders proposed the following resolution [1] (reformatted): > ---

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-09 Thread Xavier Roche
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 09:44:03AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: > The Debian Project, > hereby resolves: >1. that the amendments to the Social Contract contained within > the General Resolution Editorial Amendments To The Social >

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-09 Thread Xavier Roche
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 09:44:03AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: > The Debian Project, > hereby resolves: >1. that the amendments to the Social Contract contained within > the General Resolution Editorial Amendments To The Social >

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-05 Thread Xavier Roche
On Wed, 5 May 2004, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > I have the suspect that this choice will marginalize > Debian in respect to other distros. I'm not sure this will be a great > benefit for the free software community, at last. > What's next step? Remove non-free support at all with a new GR?

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-05 Thread Xavier Roche
On Wed, 5 May 2004, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > I have the suspect that this choice will marginalize > Debian in respect to other distros. I'm not sure this will be a great > benefit for the free software community, at last. > What's next step? Remove non-free support at all with a new GR?

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-30 Thread Xavier Roche
Hi, On 29 Apr 2004, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > And so the question is "why can I not modify these bits?" and the > answer is: the author refuses to permit me access to the source and > restricts my copying of the bits. I fully agree: the firmware is a evil, proprietary code. But it is always

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-29 Thread Xavier Roche
Hi, On 29 Apr 2004, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > And so the question is "why can I not modify these bits?" and the > answer is: the author refuses to permit me access to the source and > restricts my copying of the bits. I fully agree: the firmware is a evil, proprietary code. But it is always

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-29 Thread Xavier Roche
Hi, On 29 Apr 2004, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > The firmware is a detached part of the connected hardware, nothing more. > > The loading process just reconnects this part so that the hardware can > > work. > I am confused. When I purchase the hardware, why do I not get this, > since it is aft

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-29 Thread Xavier Roche
Hi, On 29 Apr 2004, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > The firmware is a detached part of the connected hardware, nothing more. > > The loading process just reconnects this part so that the hardware can > > work. > I am confused. When I purchase the hardware, why do I not get this, > since it is aft

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-29 Thread Xavier Roche
On 29 Apr 2004, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > If firmware were part of the connected hardware, it would be part of > the hardware, and the kernel wouldn't be loading anything. The firmware is a detached part of the connected hardware, nothing more. The loading process just reconnects this part so

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-29 Thread Xavier Roche
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 09:45:18AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > i propose an amendment that deletes everything but clause 1 of this proposal, > so that the entire proposal now reads: > >that the amendments to the Social Contract contained within the >General Resolution "Editorial Amendmen

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-29 Thread Xavier Roche
On 29 Apr 2004, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > If firmware were part of the connected hardware, it would be part of > the hardware, and the kernel wouldn't be loading anything. The firmware is a detached part of the connected hardware, nothing more. The loading process just reconnects this part so

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-28 Thread Xavier Roche
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 09:45:18AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > i propose an amendment that deletes everything but clause 1 of this proposal, > so that the entire proposal now reads: > >that the amendments to the Social Contract contained within the >General Resolution "Editorial Amendmen

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-28 Thread Xavier Roche
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Umm. I'm confused. These are two distinct options. Did you > mean to second Steve Langasek's proposal? Or Duncan Findlay's > amendment.? Or both? Both, despite Steve rejected the amendment.

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-28 Thread Xavier Roche
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Umm. I'm confused. These are two distinct options. Did you > mean to second Steve Langasek's proposal? Or Duncan Findlay's > amendment.? Or both? Both, despite Steve rejected the amendment. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-28 Thread Xavier Roche
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 03:28:33 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >In order to be counted, seconds have to be signed. Sorry, my gpg signature wasn't sent apparently. I also second the Steve Langasek's proposal, with Duncan Findlay's amendment. pgp1Xan0oDLY2.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-28 Thread Xavier Roche
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 03:28:33 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >In order to be counted, seconds have to be signed. Sorry, my gpg signature wasn't sent apparently. I also second the Steve Langasek's proposal, with Duncan Findlay's amendment. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-28 Thread Xavier Roche
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 08:41:35PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > The Debian Project, > > hereby resolves: .. I will also second this proposal.

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-28 Thread Xavier Roche
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 08:41:35PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > The Debian Project, > > hereby resolves: .. I will also second this proposal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-27 Thread Xavier Roche
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > Perhaps for our next GR, we can contemplate whether it's appropriate > that less than 20% of the developers is enough to change one of our most > important documents. Especially considering that it was intended to be only a matter of several "Editorial

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-27 Thread Xavier Roche
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > Perhaps for our next GR, we can contemplate whether it's appropriate > that less than 20% of the developers is enough to change one of our most > important documents. Especially considering that it was intended to be only a matter of several "Editorial