Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
On 2022-08-23 10:39, Simon Josefsson wrote: Therefor we will not include any non-free software in Debian, nor in the main archive or installer/live/cloud or other official images, and will not enable anything from non-free or contrib by default. The initial proposition was also pushing a new n

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-23 Thread Vincent Bernat
On 2022-08-23 22:22, Bart Martens wrote: Debian would recommend the one with non-free-firmware, for the purposes of enabling users to install on current hardware, but both would be available. Do we need to recommend one above the other? I'd rather use some short explanation per installer to he

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-23 Thread Vincent Bernat
On 2022-08-23 18:50, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: I would find it problematic if the official way to install Debian *required* a non-DFSG image. would you also find it problematic if there were *two* official images, a "free one" (as we know it) and a "free one plus firmwares"? As I laid out my r

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-22 Thread Vincent Bernat
On 2022-08-22 22:13, Theodore Ts'o wrote: So there may be some unintended consequences where new users may associate "100% free software" with "not functional" and "induces pain and frustration", such that it might end up *hurting* the cause of free software. Well, that's the truth when it com

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-20 Thread Vincent Bernat
On 2022-08-20 21:49, Bart Martens wrote: 3) Ensure that the filename of the installation media includes "non-free-firmware" or something similar so that it is clear to everyone what they are getting into. Debian has had such a long history of not including non-free bits in the ins

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-18 Thread Vincent Bernat
On 6/19/22 01:43, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: Text of GR Donations to the Debian project of assets other than the TO's currency of choice should be liquidated as soon as possible. End Text of GR What's a TO?

Re: Alternative proposal: reaffirm maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-18 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 18 octobre 2014 12:21 +0200, Luca Falavigna  : > Dear fellow Developers, > > I would like to propose the following amendment proposal, > and I hereby call for seconds. > > > > ** Begin Alternative Proposal ** [...] Seconded. -- Format a program to help the reader understand it. -

Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-10-16 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 16 octobre 2014 16:26 -0400, Paul Tagliamonte  : > Here, we will likely do invasive forks of major upstream software > (GNOME) to get around a local requirement; do we expect the GNOME team > to do this? By turning such bugs into RC bugs, the proponents are exactly advocating this position: th

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal - Use Cases

2007-06-26 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO En cette nuit nuageuse du mercredi 27 juin 2007, vers 01:06, Paul Cager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> disait: > I'm a fairly active (non-DD) member of the Java Packaging team, and I > also maintain a couple of non-Java packages. Although I'm starting to > become reasonably skilled at Java packaging,