Re: New section for firmware.

2008-12-23 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Roeckx wrote: > The idea is to create a new section that contains files like > firmware images and FPGA data that gets written to the hardware > to make it fully functional. It is not meant for drivers that run > on the host CPU. [FWIW, I've bee

Re: New section for firmware.

2008-12-23 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Didier Raboud wrote: > And if this section is not considered "part of the Debian system", why > including software from it on the Debian CD's ? (The inverse question is to > be answered too…) Because it might be required in order to install all that f

Re: New section for firmware.

2008-12-23 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Loïc Minier wrote: > If the intent is to include it in our CD-ROMs, I think some people will > want a "really really free" CD-ROM which doesn't have this section. Or maybe an explicit debconf question about the non-free nature? This could make sure

Re: gr_lenny vs gr_socialcontract

2008-12-19 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I suspect it would not be hard to create a non-free installer CD > that obviates the requirement of a separate USB key for remote > installs. If (almost?) everyone will use non-free stuff anyway, why not just make l

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-18 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > >> Ben Finney wrote: >>> The Debian system we provide is usable. There may be devices which are >>> not yet operable with Debian, >>

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-18 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ben Finney wrote: > The Debian system we provide is usable. There may be devices which are > not yet operable with Debian, Which wireless card is supported by debian without any sourceless firmware, either loaded by the kernel or present on the chip?

Re: Proposed wording for the SC modification

2008-11-17 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ean Schuessler wrote: > - "Peter Palfrader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded. >> >> If anybody wants to change the words of either the DFSG or the SC >> they will need to propose an amendmend. >>

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-14 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Millan wrote: > May I suggest "so-called \"blobs\"" or some indication that "blob" is an > informal term? Informal like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob ? - From there it appears it is better described as 'binary blob' in order not to

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-14 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> -- [Forward] - >> From: Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:01:13 +0100 > >> - code uploaded into another cpu (a device cpu, not a SMP cpu of

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-13 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ean Schuessler wrote: > "Johannes Wiedersich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> I would propose to create a new section of the archive, called >> 'sourceless' or such. Stuff within this arch

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-12 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve McIntyre wrote: > Absolutely. I'm looking into creating such "unofficial" CDs already as > part of the regular builds. > I think I agree with the suggestion of creating a new archive section > for firmware - packages that are acknowledged to no

Re: Discussion period: GR: DFSG violations in Lenny

2008-11-11 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Millan wrote: > If the project as a whole determines that the Release Team is empowered to > make exceptions to SC #1 as they see fit, I would accept it [1]. Please stop repeating in an endless loop that the Release Team must focus on SC #1, wh

Re: Discussion period: GR: DFSG violations in Lenny

2008-11-11 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Can someone explain me why all these threads smell of gratuitous RM > bashing? Simple statistics: there are many DDs, but only few RMs. Simple sociology: those who are content, don't complain. Those also don't go in endl

Re: Call for seconds: DFSG violations in Lenny

2008-11-10 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 02:23:46PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >> Debian won't run on a large fraction of hardware any more. > ... >> To restate the obvious: After the transition a lot of current d

Re: Call for seconds: DFSG violations in Lenny

2008-11-10 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > >> On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:27:59 +0100 Robert Millan wrote: >> >>> I think you're trying to imply that somehow SC #1 >>> and SC #

Re: Call for seconds: DFSG violations in Lenny

2008-11-10 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:27:59 +0100 Robert Millan wrote: > I think you're trying to imply that somehow SC #1 > and SC #4 are not consistent. That is, that "our priorities are our users" > is incompatible with our system being "100% free". They are inc