Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-10-25 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 11:29:22AM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: > Well, ... > > ok i understand this, What you don't want is for debian to distribute netscape > or other such commercial software. > > What about software that is almost free, but is not free in the sense of the > DFSG ? > > This is t

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-10-25 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 11:29:22AM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: > Well, ... > > ok i understand this, What you don't want is for debian to distribute netscape > or other such commercial software. > > What about software that is almost free, but is not free in the sense of the > DFSG ? > > This is

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-10-17 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 05:26:11PM +0200, Jens M?ller wrote: > > The first (first, mind you) promise that the Social Contract > > makes is that the Debian distribution will not contain free software. > (sic!) HA! Whoops. Uh, "non-free", obviously. -- _

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-10-17 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 05:26:11PM +0200, Jens M?ller wrote: > > The first (first, mind you) promise that the Social Contract > > makes is that the Debian distribution will not contain free software. > (sic!) HA! Whoops. Uh, "non-free", obviously. --

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-10-16 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:51:19AM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: > I think i agree with you in principle, but what do you propose to do with the > non-free packages ? just remove them from debian disks ? The point at issue here is not "disks" per se, but rather the act of _distribution_. The first (f

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-10-16 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:51:19AM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: > I think i agree with you in principle, but what do you propose to do with the > non-free packages ? just remove them from debian disks ? The point at issue here is not "disks" per se, but rather the act of _distribution_. The first (

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-28 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
> What? Including the mail archives, the bug tracking system, the > partners page, etc.? What parts of the mail archives, the bug tracking system or the partners pages constitute non-free software? What are you talking about? > Perhaps you should read the social contract before your next post? >

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-28 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 04:06:27PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > As an example of what falls in the category covered by section 5, > which is not commercial: if we have some software that has a "you can > have the source, and you can give away the source or binaries for free, > but you can't distribu

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-28 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
> What? Including the mail archives, the bug tracking system, the > partners page, etc.? What parts of the mail archives, the bug tracking system or the partners pages constitute non-free software? What are you talking about? > Perhaps you should read the social contract before your next post?

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-28 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 04:06:27PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > As an example of what falls in the category covered by section 5, > which is not commercial: if we have some software that has a "you can > have the source, and you can give away the source or binaries for free, > but you can't distrib

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-28 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 06:41:27PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 09:51:40PM -0500, Ean R . Schuessler wrote: > > software. With the advent of broadband, the growth of commercial Linux > > software and other factors, article 5 looks more and more like an appendag

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-28 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 06:41:27PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 09:51:40PM -0500, Ean R . Schuessler wrote: > > software. With the advent of broadband, the growth of commercial Linux > > software and other factors, article 5 looks more and more like an appe

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:22:58PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > SUMMARY > --- > > The Secretary has advanced a document outlining his plans and opinion > for conducting a vote on GR 8, advanced by myself. His plans rest in > incorrect premises and draw incorrect conclusions. Below you will >

Re: Non-Constitutional Voting Procedure

2000-09-27 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:22:58PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > SUMMARY > --- > > The Secretary has advanced a document outlining his plans and opinion > for conducting a vote on GR 8, advanced by myself. His plans rest in > incorrect premises and draw incorrect conclusions. Below you will

Re: The Gordian Knot (was Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal)

1999-07-13 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Sun, Jul 11, 1999 at 12:47:13AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > Please give the components to get > The components are typically something like: main contrib non-free > > Components [main contrib non-free]: > > This is a form of the question "do you want to consider > non-free

Re: The Gordian Knot (was Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal)

1999-07-09 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 11:02:13AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > That would greatly annoy me and involve hardcoding what "non-free" means > into apt. I'm opposed to the latter for technical reasons, I'm apposed to > the former for reasons thæt YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOULD AT ME FOR FIVE LINES > TO TEL

Re: The Gordian Knot (was Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal)

1999-07-09 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 11:08:40PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > That is exactly the sort of thing I have in mind for the web pages. I > would suggest having names such as "official.debian.org" and > "free.debian.org" for new free server. I hope that these names will > be memorable enough, tha

Re: The Gordian Knot (was Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal)

1999-07-08 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 12:22:45AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > That is part of the issue: I would like to be able to refer people to > an official Debian web site, without thus referring people to the > non-free packages. This is not the whole of the issue because the web > is not the only in