Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

8043 ftp-master would appear to be CCed on all of the messages associated with this bug. Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

to this goal. But to argue that software cannot be truly free without a free hardware platform; I'm not buying that one, despite fully understanding your argument. Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

> However, if that's not clear to people, the proper place to address that > question would be in the DFSG. That's a very good point, agreed. Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

t, I wonder if we need to go one step further. "Software and data that does not", or something else. If it's been agreed that everything that Debian distributes is software (I can live with that), please disregard. Thanks, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs,

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

> However, if that's not clear to people, the proper place to address that > question would be in the DFSG. That's a very good point, agreed. Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

t, I wonder if we need to go one step further. "Software and data that does not", or something else. If it's been agreed that everything that Debian distributes is software (I can live with that), please disregard. Thanks, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs,

a different kind of proposal on the non-free issue

ecture me on the fine points of debating, and force me to look up words that are not common everyday vocabulary for proles such as myself. If you think that is fun or worthwhile, it is your perogative to focus the discussion that way. Personally, I'd like to find a solution to this issue tha

a different kind of proposal on the non-free issue

ecture me on the fine points of debating, and force me to look up words that are not common everyday vocabulary for proles such as myself. If you think that is fun or worthwhile, it is your perogative to focus the discussion that way. Personally, I'd like to find a solution to this issue tha

Re: Statistics on non-free usage

le|testing|unstable)/(main|non-free|contrib) show up - probably mostly stuff like newer versions of KDE from downloads.kde.org, backport collections, etc. On my machines there is a fair amount of that kind of stuff. Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer

Re: Statistics on non-free usage

le|testing|unstable)/(main|non-free|contrib) show up - probably mostly stuff like newer versions of KDE from downloads.kde.org, backport collections, etc. On my machines there is a fair amount of that kind of stuff. Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer

Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

n). Overall, I guess that like always it's going to be an "action is louder than words" situation, and until someone cares enough to create a parallel nonfree.org and work out all of the details, the status quo will remain. The irony is that it's probably going to have to be someone who is very pro-removal of nonfree who does it. Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

n). Overall, I guess that like always it's going to be an "action is louder than words" situation, and until someone cares enough to create a parallel nonfree.org and work out all of the details, the status quo will remain. The irony is that it's probably going to have to be someone who is very pro-removal of nonfree who does it. Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

ding Debian lets them > do that very easily, are then able to see first hand the benefits of a > pure free software system. We've not been doing a very good job at > helping introduce those folks to free software, but I can only imagine it > getting worse if we decide to drop

Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

level that would be required by nonfree.org, so on the surface this doesn't seem like a showstopper. On the other hand, I'm not volunteering so apparently I'm not allowed to say that ;-) Later, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

ding Debian lets them > do that very easily, are then able to see first hand the benefits of a > pure free software system. We've not been doing a very good job at > helping introduce those folks to free software, but I can only imagine it > getting worse if we decide to drop

Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

level that would be required by nonfree.org, so on the surface this doesn't seem like a showstopper. On the other hand, I'm not volunteering so apparently I'm not allowed to say that ;-) Later, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

> but, i guess that doesn't matter to you, because it's not you that will be > suffering the annoyance or the PITA. If you == "Dale E Martin", you guess wrong. If it didn't matter to me, I would not be engaged in this discussion at all. I'm trying to under

Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

> but, i guess that doesn't matter to you, because it's not you that will be > suffering the annoyance or the PITA. If you == "Dale E Martin", you guess wrong. If it didn't matter to me, I would not be engaged in this discussion at all. I'm trying to under

Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

of the good graces of the FSF to some degree. One benefit of dropping it would be that Debian could be "the official distribution" of the FSF. Whether that's desirable to the group as a whole or not is another big can of worms. :-) But there is one practical benefit that dropping non

Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

of the good graces of the FSF to some degree. One benefit of dropping it would be that Debian could be "the official distribution" of the FSF. Whether that's desirable to the group as a whole or not is another big can of worms. :-) But there is one practical benefit that dropping non

Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

ebian to be the only morally "pure" (i.e. not motivated by commercial gain) distribution. In that light, my opinion is that living by our own standards (specifically the DFSG) as a project "just makes sense." My $0.02, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Co

Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

ebian to be the only morally "pure" (i.e. not motivated by commercial gain) distribution. In that light, my opinion is that living by our own standards (specifically the DFSG) as a project "just makes sense." My $0.02, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Co

Re: Questions to all candidates

tart any flame fest of any kind, but I guess I'm pointing out how we have a bit of infrastructure already that could be used to infer some things about users.) Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available pgpOTdErLzkMu.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Questions to all candidates

tart any flame fest of any kind, but I guess I'm pointing out how we have a bit of infrastructure already that could be used to infer some things about users.) Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Question to the candidates about Debian and government

one else's? Thanks, Dale [1] http://oss-institute.org/new_what_is.htm -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available pgpbxtJtL6R3l.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Question restated

#x27;m sure you would be noticable as a DPL :-) I don't want anyone - including you - to take this as any kind of attack. As I stated early, I feel that having a strong and vocal leader would be good for the project at this point in time. It's ready to be shaken up bit as we're getti

Question to the candidates about Debian and government

one else's? Thanks, Dale [1] http://oss-institute.org/new_what_is.htm -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available msg01421/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Question restated

#x27;m sure you would be noticable as a DPL :-) I don't want anyone - including you - to take this as any kind of attack. As I stated early, I feel that having a strong and vocal leader would be good for the project at this point in time. It's ready to be shaken up bit as we're getti

Question restated

ts.debian.org/debian-x/2001/debian-x-200110/msg00144.html To me it doesn't matter if the statement made was justified or not - I don't really want to see the DPL making such comments in public forums. Later, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engine

Question restated

ts.debian.org/debian-x/2001/debian-x-200110/msg00144.html To me it doesn't matter if the statement made was justified or not - I don't really want to see the DPL making such comments in public forums. Later, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [E

Re: And the winner is...

> Argh! > > Folks, I misread the constitution. > > Shoot me, now. The cabal rewrote your copy temporarily on your hard drive, and now they've got the information they need! ;-) Later, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [E

Re: And the winner is...

> Argh! > > Folks, I misread the constitution. > > Shoot me, now. The cabal rewrote your copy temporarily on your hard drive, and now they've got the information they need! ;-) Later, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [E

Re: Some questions for the DPL candidates

on there will even be hardware support for them. There are also plugins for most major players (including WinAmp)... Later, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available pgpkQMzLypOhW.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Some questions for the DPL candidates

on there will even be hardware support for them. There are also plugins for most major players (including WinAmp)... Later, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available PGP signature