On 11/11/21 8:48 PM, Bastian Blank wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 02:23:58PM -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
>> I'm legitimately surprised to hear that anyone in the Debian project
>> believes that the term "FTP master" is *not* confused and outdated.
>
> I'm really surprised that ftp master i
On 2021/11/11 21:48, Bastian Blank wrote:
I'm really surprised that ftp master is more important than the weird
definition of DD and DM.
You left out "non-uploading DD" :)
-Jonathan
I feel that the benefits and costs estimate are just made up numbers.
I'd like to know if there exists a person in the whole world that would
refuse to cooperate with Debian because of the FTP master name. My totally
made up answer is no. But I could of course be totally wrong.
Best
Il gio 11 no
Hi Marc
On 2021/11/11 17:29, Marc Haber wrote:
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 05:37:55PM -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
PS For people who are concerned that a retreat from the term "master" is
somehow the language police run dangerously amok, it's worth asking
why you feel so committed to t
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 10:28 AM Bdale Garbee wrote:
>
> being a good
> citizen of a community like Debian means *not* side-stepping such
> responsibilities.
No sweat. How about the following?
$500,000 Value of friendly and up-to-date team names [1]
$200,000 Cost of implementation [2]
-
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 02:23:58PM -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> I'm legitimately surprised to hear that anyone in the Debian project
> believes that the term "FTP master" is *not* confused and outdated.
I'm really surprised that ftp master is more important than the weird
definition of DD a
On Thu 2021-11-11 07:56:24 -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> 1/ The assertion "we all can acknowledge is confused and outdated" is
>far fom the case. This and other discussions on the matter are
>strong evidence that "we can all acknowledge" is a
>mischaracterization.
I'm legitimatel
Felix Lechner writes:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 5:12 AM Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>>
>> Those proposing
>> improvements must also demonstrate how the claimed improvements
>> provide greater benefit than the cost incurred in implementing the
>> improvements.
>
> I had hoped to sidestep th
* Russ Allbery [2021-11-11 08:26]:
Once a proposal has been sponsored and added to the ballot, we, as a
general social convention, stop sponsoring it unless it feels particularly
important to be listed as a sponsor. That means that any given option
currently on the ballot usually has "hidden" s
(cc'ing Charles since I'm not sure if he's reading all of debian-vote; let
me know if this is annoying and I should stop.)
Sam Hartman writes:
> It sounds like what russ and Charles are talking about is the following:
> * You as a proposer want to accept an amendment
> * A sponsor objects, and
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 05:37:55PM -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> PS For people who are concerned that a retreat from the term "master" is
>somehow the language police run dangerously amok, it's worth asking
>why you feel so committed to the term "master" that you would fight
>
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 02:22:48PM +0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>
> Roberto C. Sánchez wrote on 11/11/2021 at 13:56:24+0100:
> > If we as a project allow some to make changes without considering the
> > concerns of those affected by the changes, we are not being faithful
> > to our own prin
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote on 11/11/2021 at 13:56:24+0100:
> If we as a project allow some to make changes without considering the
> concerns of those affected by the changes, we are not being faithful
> to our own principles.
That's true, but it doesn't look like it's what's being done here.
Fel
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 5:12 AM Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> Those proposing
> improvements must also demonstrate how the claimed improvements
> provide greater benefit than the cost incurred in implementing the
> improvements.
I had hoped to sidestep that responsibility by putting the matt
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 05:37:55PM -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
>
> PS For people who are concerned that a retreat from the term "master" is
>somehow the language police run dangerously amok, it's worth asking
>why you feel so committed to the term "master" that you would fight
>t
Daniel Kahn Gillmor writes:
> PS For people who are concerned that a retreat from the term "master" is
>somehow the language police run dangerously amok, it's worth asking
>why you feel so committed to the term "master" that you would fight
>to keep the project we all work on using t
Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
On Sat 2021-11-06 11:32:35 +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Pierre-Elliott Bécue - 06.11.21, 11:06:58 CET:
That being said, the name is indeed outdated, and "Debian Archive
Team" sounds quite nice.
Agreed. I like this name.
Yes, please. "Debian Archive Team" is f
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