Re: Costs of running a Debian foundation

2020-03-17 Thread Brian Gupta
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:37 AM Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:46:09PM +0800, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > So I'm more satisfied with the rationale of creating a Debian > > foundation, although my concerns about the actual operations still > > apply (i.e. how are you going

Re: Costs of running a Debian foundation

2020-03-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:46:09PM +0800, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > So I'm more satisfied with the rationale of creating a Debian > foundation, although my concerns about the actual operations still > apply (i.e. how are you going to make sure you'll do a better job than > the TOs you're not happy

Re: Question to Brian: why not submit your plan for a Debian Foundation to a GR ?

2020-03-17 Thread Brian Gupta
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:52 PM Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > > Hi Brian, > > The idea of having a Debian Foundation sounds interesting, although I do > share some of tbm's fears. > > From what I understand, you want this DPL election to be a referendum on > the idea of a Debian Foundation.

Re: Costs of running a Debian foundation

2020-03-17 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Brian Gupta [2020-03-17 12:15]: > I don't think it would be "cheaper" to run our own foundation, and > might even end up costing more. I hope I didn't give that impression > from my platform. > > Largely I believe the Debian Project is large enough and mature > enough that we need dedicated pur

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-17 Thread Brian Gupta
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:32 PM Hector Oron wrote: > > Hello, > > First of all, thanks for nominating yourselves to Debian project leaders. > > Debian Outreach looks like an awesome initiative to bring new blood > into Debian and also people coming from minority groups, however, on > the othe

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-17 Thread Hector Oron
Hello, Missatge de Ulrike Uhlig del dia dt., 17 de març 2020 a les 21:46: > (I have no idea if I am allowed to reply to this, or if only DPL > candidates are supposed to reply. Hence forgive me if I'm overstepping a > boundary here. Please tell me if that is the case by the way.) [Thread moved

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-17 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi, (I have no idea if I am allowed to reply to this, or if only DPL candidates are supposed to reply. Hence forgive me if I'm overstepping a boundary here. Please tell me if that is the case by the way.) On 17.03.20 21:07, Hector Oron wrote: > Missatge de Ulrike Uhlig del dia dt., 17 de març >

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-17 Thread Hector Oron
Hello, Missatge de Ulrike Uhlig del dia dt., 17 de març 2020 a les 18:34: > > Debian Outreach [...] > > thas been a quite expensive to run for the real > > benefit provided to Debian project. > > The questions you ask seem to rely on this observation of yours, that I > find a little bit overly s

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-17 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi! On 17.03.20 17:32, Hector Oron wrote: > Debian Outreach [...] > thas been a quite expensive to run for the real > benefit provided to Debian project. The questions you ask seem to rely on this observation of yours, that I find a little bit overly suggestive: - How do you measure benefit?

Re: Please hold your questions...

2020-03-17 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:14:13AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Louis-Philippe Véronneau dijo [Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 01:10:31PM -0400]: > > I'm not sure what this is then? > > > > https://www.debian.org/vote/2020/platforms/ > > Uh... > > Er... > > Oh... > > OK, I stand corrected. Please, excuse

Re: Please hold your questions...

2020-03-17 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Gunnar Wolf [2020-03-17 11:04]: > We already have <10 mails in the list... Please wait for the Project > Secretary to announce the page for the elections, with the platforms > and all. All platforms are available and it has been announced. https://www.debian.org/vote/2020/vote_001 -- Martin

Re: Please hold your questions...

2020-03-17 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Louis-Philippe Véronneau dijo [Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 01:10:31PM -0400]: > I'm not sure what this is then? > > https://www.debian.org/vote/2020/platforms/ Uh... Er... Oh... OK, I stand corrected. Please, excuse my mail. (where was this announced? My bad, for sure!) signature.asc Description: P

Re: Please hold your questions...

2020-03-17 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 20-03-17 13 h 04, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Hello all, > > While I have started to read the questions to the candidates with > enthusiasm, I'd like to point something out: Jonathan's and Brian's > nomination mails _can_be_seen_as_ a platform, but they are nor (and I > don't know if they intend to re

Please hold your questions...

2020-03-17 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hello all, While I have started to read the questions to the candidates with enthusiasm, I'd like to point something out: Jonathan's and Brian's nomination mails _can_be_seen_as_ a platform, but they are nor (and I don't know if they intend to refine them to be a platform. Sruthi has not yet publ

Question to Brian: why not submit your plan for a Debian Foundation to a GR ?

2020-03-17 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
Hi Brian, The idea of having a Debian Foundation sounds interesting, although I do share some of tbm's fears. From what I understand, you want this DPL election to be a referendum on the idea of a Debian Foundation. It would be really hard for me to vote for you without having a clearer idea of

Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-17 Thread Hector Oron
Hello, First of all, thanks for nominating yourselves to Debian project leaders. Debian Outreach looks like an awesome initiative to bring new blood into Debian and also people coming from minority groups, however, on the other hand, it has been a quite expensive to run for the real benefit p

Re: Costs of running a Debian foundation

2020-03-17 Thread Brian Gupta
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:20 AM Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > [ I wasn't sure whether to comment on Brian's platform or stay out of > this, but I think it's important to scrutinise the plan. Please see > my disclaimers at the end though. ] Thank you Martin. You have a great amount of relevant expe

Why I think We Probably Want a foundation

2020-03-17 Thread Sam Hartman
TL;DR: I think Debian probably wants a foundation for legal protection. I think doing this as a DPL platform is all sorts of wrong. I'm speaking as an individual, although my thoughts are influenced by my time as DPL. Hi. I've generally been coming to the conclusion that we probably need to ha

Debian's paypal account

2020-03-17 Thread Luca Filipozzi
My recollection of the conversation regarding Debian's paypal account (over a social dinner, where spit-balling on a variety of topics was underway) is that a hypothetical was posed: If SPI can't offer paypal accounts to all projects due to paypal restrictions on number of accounts, then maybe

Costs of running a Debian foundation

2020-03-17 Thread Martin Michlmayr
[ I wasn't sure whether to comment on Brian's platform or stay out of this, but I think it's important to scrutinise the plan. Please see my disclaimers at the end though. ] Brian, * You write: "Debian Project Leaders should have more time to lead rather than be buried in the set of administrati

Re: Question to Jonathan: how do you intend to prioritise?

2020-03-17 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Sean On 2020/03/17 00:18, Sean Whitton wrote: > It is good that you have shared with us all, in your platform, your > broad vision for what it is most important for the project to address. > No-one could reasonably expect you to complete everything there in a > single term, but it helps us cho