* Jose Miguel Parrella [2019-03-20 14:27]:
> > One of the questions in my platform hinted at one point: The "package"
> > managers various new languages came up with.
>
> Do you (and other candidates) see this as a threat or as an opportunity?
I absolutely see it as a threat.
You can add to thr
* Andreas Tille [2019-03-20 22:07]:
> > I think was thinking the Debian Developer's Reference would be the
> > appropriate place.
> >
> > I also like the term "Debian Development Policy" fwiw.
>
> That's the point: For me a reference is a set of suggestions that might
> be helpful or not. A pol
I'm finding it really hard to frame answers usefully in terms of the
questions you ask (and even more difficult with the alternative
reframings proposed)
So I'll talk for a bit about universal, and I'm sorry, but that's what
you'll get at least until you ask for clarification.
I think I'm more i
Sean Whitton writes ("Re: Questions about "Winding down my Debian
involvement""):
> On Wed 20 Mar 2019 at 04:17PM +01, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > I would actually like if we end up with a "git push turns into an
> > upload". Which would need some central $thing for it to make it so. Not
> > sure tha
On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 02:10:13PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> It seems like having the Debian Project and DPL working to get more
> paid developers might run into some of the same issues. In particular
> there might be a perception that there would be two classes of
> developers and that voluntee
Hello,
On Wed 20 Mar 2019 at 04:17PM +01, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> I would actually like if we end up with a "git push turns into an
> upload". Which would need some central $thing for it to make it so. Not
> sure thats salsa. Or something seperately (but maybe together with it).
We already have s
On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 04:51:18PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
Hi Joerg,
On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 04:17:51PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
OTOH we need to stay open for enhancing things. So while I am a fan of
"dh for everyone, throw away all the hand crafted stuff", it should not
make it impossibl
The rsync discussion happened in private mail, so there’s no paper trail of
that, sorry.
I did supply a patch, as described in the article, and the maintainer
refused it.
On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 10:07 PM Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> > (I haven't looked at
Hi Andreas
On 2019/03/20 11:22, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Recently I've read the article "Winding down my Debian involvement" from
> Michael Stapelberg[1]. I consider that article an interesting reading and
> I would love to hear the opinion of the candidates about it.
I've seen lots of people shar
On 3/20/19 1:44 PM, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> * What are the main 2-4 external things happening in the world outside
>> Debian, and that are "threats" for Debian?
...
> One of the questions in my platform hinted at one point: The "package"
> managers various new languages came up with.
Do you (a
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> (I haven't looked at rsync and this is a general reply.)
>
> First, find out *why* it's non-standard. Mabye there are good
> technical reasons. If so, solutions can be found (e.g. improvements
> to debhelper). Maybe it's a case of "it works" and the
On 15347 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
You are probably familiar with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis
Nope.
Note that if you prefer not to frame this in the context of SWOT
analysis, you can also answer the following four questions, which should
result in basically the same in
On 15347 March 1977, Ian Jackson wrote:
I would like to reframe this question:
When should we expect a Debian maintainer to put in effort for use
cases, software designs, hardware platforms, etc., that they don't
personally care about ? I have an answer to this:
So long as most of the work is b
On 15347 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
1) So, if you were asked to write a Social Contract paragraph about our
universality, defining/outlining both what we aim for, and also maybe
some limits to that quest for universality, what would it be?
I wouldn't be the one to write such a paragraph,
On 15347 March 1977, Jose Miguel Parrella wrote:
To add to this question:
Do candidates think Debian "competes" for "share"/"mindshare" of users
and contributors in the "Linux distro" category?
Whenever I get asked (especially at events) "I'm a new linux user, do
you recommend Debian" or "I
Hi Martin
On 2019/03/20 19:38, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * Jonathan Carter [2019-03-20 18:57]:
>>> Not right now, although my ideas of spending Debian's money might
>>> trigger some GRs.
>
> [ I should point that your quote removes a smiley from my sentence and
> that smiley was significant. ]
Let me start by saying that I think it would be valuable to find ways
to get more people paid to work on Debian; I was excited to see that in
your platform.
I'm nervous because of our past experience in this area.
I'm really hoping you have answers though because I agree with you that
lack of
* Jonathan Carter [2019-03-20 18:57]:
> > Not right now, although my ideas of spending Debian's money might
> > trigger some GRs.
[ I should point that your quote removes a smiley from my sentence and
that smiley was significant. ]
> Your platform doesn't provide much details on that, although y
Hi Martin
On 2019/03/20 17:11, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> Not right now, although my ideas of spending Debian's money might
> trigger some GRs.
Your platform doesn't provide much details on that, although you do
mention grants and paid-for Debian work.
Do you mind expanding on your spending idea
Hi Lucas
Thanks for the question!
On 2019/03/20 11:08, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Note that if you prefer not to frame this in the context of SWOT
> analysis, you can also answer the following four questions, which should
> result in basically the same information:
>
> * What are the main 2-4 stren
* Andreas Tille [2019-03-20 17:18]:
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> > At the very least, we should find out why people don't use standard
> > tooling like debhelper, improve these tools and nudge people towards
> > them.
>
> How would you approach this nudging?
(I haven't looked
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> At the very least, we should find out why people don't use standard
> tooling like debhelper, improve these tools and nudge people towards
> them.
How would you approach this nudging?
> We should definitely recommend it. The question is whether we sh
* Jose Miguel Parrella [2019-03-20 08:05]:
> Do you think tech-ctte should have additional empowerment (via the
> Constitution, if needed) to drive the project's technical direction
> more proactively, for example by setting direction and priorities
> for teams across the Project to address questi
* Jose Miguel Parrella [2019-03-20 07:48]:
> Do candidates think Debian "competes" for "share"/"mindshare" of users
> and contributors in the "Linux distro" category?
Yes, absolutely.
I don't want to bring a Brexit analogy, but everything is connected.
A happy Debian user will recommend Debian t
Hi Joerg,
On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 04:17:51PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> More unification
> in central parts, with the biggest part being packaging, is better.
That's actually my point.
> OTOH we need to stay open for enhancing things. So while I am a fan of
> "dh for everyone, throw away all
* Ian Jackson [2019-03-20 13:35]:
> So long as most of the work is being done by those who are interested
> in the use case, maintainers (and anyone else with a gatekeeper role)
> should do their bit (by carrying patches, mentioning alternative
> dependencies, advising about debugging, or whatever
* Lucas Nussbaum [2019-03-20 10:29]:
> 1) So, if you were asked to write a Social Contract paragraph about our
> universality, defining/outlining both what we aim for, and also maybe
> some limits to that quest for universality, what would it be?
I don't have a paragraph.
But I think it's import
> "Jose" == Jose Miguel Parrella writes:
Jose> If DPL Team/Committee worked, and delegations start to feel
Jose> more permanent (delegated functions make sense, terms are
Jose> long) then why wouldn't a few of those delegates become Debian
Jose> Leadership Team members alongsi
* Lucas Nussbaum [2019-03-20 10:08]:
> * What are the main 2-4 strengths of Debian today?
Great reputation for stability and technical excellence
Developer community with diverse skill set
> * What are the main 2-4 weaknesses of Debian today?
A culture that has suffocated innovation to some ex
* Andreas Tille [2019-03-20 10:22]:
> 1. I followed the hint to rsync checked out the source package have
> read the 6k d/rules of it. In line with the request for modernisation
> I wonder whether the candidates see any chance to convince
> maintainers to stick to some standard
On 15347 March 1977, Andreas Tille wrote:
Recently I've read the article "Winding down my Debian involvement" from
Michael Stapelberg[1]. I consider that article an interesting reading and
I would love to hear the opinion of the candidates about it.
I read it and it influenced parts of my pla
* Jose Miguel Parrella [2019-03-19 18:43]:
> * As a DPL, what steps would you take (if any) towards reducing the
> workload and breadth of activities the DPL is expected to engage in?
I intend to make use of the delegations process (maybe I'll even
create some new roles) and if elected I'd like t
In his platform [0], joerg lists out a few questions about the future of
Debian:
> How to overcome all the challenges a distribution like ours faces,
> how to adapt to the ever faster changing world?
> How to become more attractive for all the commercial entities that
> are currently chosing to ig
On 15347 March 1977, Michael Meskes wrote:
But yes, depending on/with some events/companies, speaking as a DPL
will be perceived much more strongly. Any "normal" DD won't be heard.
If that is the case, and if its sufficient, a delegation can be good.
Are you saying you would delegate the role
Thanks for taking the time to go through this and other people's
questions, Sam.
On 3/20/19 3:04 AM, Sam Hartman wrote:
> I've been kind of confused by all the discussions of changing our
> governance to permit this. The constitution is quite flexible in this
> area already.
> There are a couple
On 3/20/19 2:29 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> 2) More specifically, if you believe that we should not aim for being
> fully universal, *how* (in terms of decision-making processes) do you
> think that we should draw a line about what's acceptable, for
> example to decide how to cater to the needs of
In article <20190320092906.j5u47e6a3kjo3...@xanadu.blop.info>,
Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> An unofficial motto for Debian (unofficial because it is not part of our
> foundation documents) is "the universal Operating System".
...
> 1) So, if you were asked to write a Social Contract paragraph about ou
> But yes, depending on/with some events/companies, speaking as a DPL
> will
> be perceived much more strongly. Any "normal" DD won't be heard. If
> that
> is the case, and if its sufficient, a delegation can be good.
>
Are you saying you would delegate the role of making-presentations-as-
DPL? Or
Hi Sam,
thanks a lot for your fast reply.
On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 06:17:00AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> I have read it as well.
(I forgot to mention that Martin has obviously read it since it was
even linked in his platform. :-) )
> ...
> I am disappointed when people leave bitter and dishear
> "Lucas" == Lucas Nussbaum writes:
Lucas> Note that if you prefer not to frame this in the context of
Lucas> SWOT analysis, you can also answer the following four
Lucas> questions, which should result in basically the same
Lucas> information:
Thanks for giving me this option.
> "Andreas" == Andreas Tille writes:
Andreas> Hi to all brave candidates, thanks to you all to volunteer
Andreas> for the DPL job. I wish you all good luck for the
Andreas> elections and the future DPL my best wishes.
Andreas> Recently I've read the article "Winding down my
> "Jose" == Jose Miguel Parrella writes:
A lot of this is in my platform but I'm answering here for clarity.
Jose> * As a DPL, what steps would you take (if any) towards
Jose> reducing the workload and breadth of activities the DPL is
Jose> expected to engage in?
I think every D
Hi,
An unofficial motto for Debian (unofficial because it is not part of our
foundation documents) is "the universal Operating System".
Despite the fact that it was never (AFAIK) properly defined, it has been
used as a argument on various occasions (the discussions about the
Vancouver proposal ab
Hi,
You are probably familiar with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis
>From your perspective, what are Debian's main strengths, weaknesses,
opportunities and threats?
Note that if you prefer not to frame this in the context of SWOT
analysis, you can also answer the following four quest
Hi to all brave candidates,
thanks to you all to volunteer for the DPL job. I wish you all good luck
for the elections and the future DPL my best wishes.
Recently I've read the article "Winding down my Debian involvement" from
Michael Stapelberg[1]. I consider that article an interesting readin
On 15347 March 1977, Jose Miguel Parrella wrote:
* As a DPL, what steps would you take (if any) towards reducing the
workload and breadth of activities the DPL is expected to engage in?
Depending on the actual activity and there being any volunteers, it may
get delegated.
* Would you pursue
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