Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Josh Triplett
Sam Hartman wrote: > Matthew> Josh Triplett writes: > >> On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:22:07PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > >> > What's the procedure for removing someone from the technical > >> committee? > >> > >> Someone pointed out to me privately that there's a much eas

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Sam, I surely hate noone here, thank you for your calming and insightful words. cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Sam Hartman
This is likely to be my last message on this sub-thread, or at least I'm definitely slowing down responses. Replying to two messages. > "Matthew" == Matthew Vernon writes: Matthew> Josh Triplett writes: >> On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:22:07PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: >> > Wha

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Matthew Vernon
Josh Triplett writes: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:22:07PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > > What's the procedure for removing someone from the technical committee? > > Someone pointed out to me privately that there's a much easier way of > handling this. See the "Maximum term for tech ctte membe

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 10 novembre 2014 à 09:44 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt a écrit : > I think you forget the option that (I think) is the least personal > damaging one: > > Option 0: Ask the member to consider stepping back himself. This has already been asked, several times, by myself and by other people. I t

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Josh Triplett
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:22:07PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > What's the procedure for removing someone from the technical committee? Someone pointed out to me privately that there's a much easier way of handling this. See the "Maximum term for tech ctte members" thread. Such a proposal would

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Gergely Nagy
> "Aigars" == Aigars Mahinovs writes: Aigars> If you do not liek where Ian is coming from with his point of view - Aigars> do not argue with him. Argue with other people. Or, better yet, argue Aigars> with the facts. This sounds awfully similar to "Don't feed the trolls", and we

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Josh Triplett
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:01:46AM +0200, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > On 10 November 2014 07:14, Josh Triplett wrote: > > For the sake of clarity, I'd like to point out that I didn't start this > > thread solely because of a single IRC log, but rather because of a > > pattern of behavior over the las

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 10 November 2014 07:14, Josh Triplett wrote: > For the sake of clarity, I'd like to point out that I didn't start this > thread solely because of a single IRC log, but rather because of a > pattern of behavior over the last year that shows no signs of changing. I do find it quite alarming that

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 10 November 2014 10:42, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > Hi Bas, > > Bas Wijnen writes: >> On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:22:07PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: >>> 17:34:12 Diziet: I don't think that stating that we >>> don't want to swap on upgrades is something we can agree on >>> 17:34:25 Diziet: at l

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi Andrey, Andrey Rahmatullin writes: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:22:07PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: >> What's the procedure for removing someone from the technical committee? > Option 1: Agreement of DPL and an 1:1 majority in TC (6.2.5). > Option 2: GR with a 2:1 majority to act with TC power

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi Bas, Bas Wijnen writes: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:22:07PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: >> 17:34:12 Diziet: I don't think that stating that we >> don't want to swap on upgrades is something we can agree on >> 17:34:25 Diziet: at least, not while the GR is >> happening which seems to directl

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Sam Hartman
Several people forwarded me copies of the IRC log that Josh pointed to here on the list today in response to my message this morning. I responded to that off-list. I've been debating today whether to respond on-list. I'm not sure this is a good idea, but hey I'm trying my best to be reasoned but

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Bdale Garbee
Bas Wijnen writes: > The only problematic part I see is that he gets carried away at times. > That's a very minor issue, and I forgive him, as long as he isn't > insulting people. He has certainly insulted me. https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/06/msg00040.html If you don't know me ve