Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:52:32AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Olav Vitters wrote: > >3. That we tried to blackmail someone > if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.. > >4. That it is about sysvinit scripts > Again, of course it is. > >If you cannot, it seems you just performed

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Marco d'Itri
svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: >This is incredible, 90+ postings are from the pro systemd people. Are >you afraid of something? Where do the other side of view speak up. Seems Indeed, it looks like that systemd users are seriously underrepresented in these threads: https://qa.debian.org/popcon-g

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Miles Fidelman
Svante Signell wrote: Hi, This is incredible, 90+ postings are from the pro systemd people. Are you afraid of something? Where do the other side of view speak up. Seems like the same thing happening again when the default init system was chosen, the more loudly the more strength in affecting peo

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, This is incredible, 90+ postings are from the pro systemd people. Are you afraid of something? Where do the other side of view speak up. Seems like the same thing happening again when the default init system was chosen, the more loudly the more strength in affecting peoples opinions. Keep on,

Re: Running systemd with PID != 1, coexisting with other inits

2014-10-25 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Josh Triplett: > Well, *that's* useful; thanks! I previously had the impression that > systemd did not support this at all. > Also see systemd-nspawn(1), a chroot-on-steroids which can "boot" an entire subdirectory (like the result of 'debootstrap') without messing around with /usr/sbin/poli

Running systemd with PID != 1, coexisting with other inits

2014-10-25 Thread Josh Triplett
Matthias Urlichs wrote: > j...@joshtriplett.org: > > Personally, I'd actually love to see a port of systemd (a *complete* > > port of systemd) to be capable of running in system mode without being > > PID 1. > > Why would you need to port it? > You can do that today quite easily; just say "systemd

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Miles Fidelman
Olav Vitters wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 09:56:33AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: All this talk about what upstream developers will and won't do. Seems to me that they've been writing sysvinit scripts for years; systemd support ADDS work. It's only the GNOME developers who are being rather vo

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Josh Triplett
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 03:21:51PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Josh Triplett (2014-10-25 11:52:28) > > Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >> Quoting Josh Triplett (2014-10-24 16:27:27) > >>> Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > On 24 October 2014 13:33, Ansgar Burchardt > wrote: > > I don't

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, j...@joshtriplett.org: > Personally, I'd actually love to see a port of systemd (a *complete* > port of systemd) to be capable of running in system mode without being > PID 1. Why would you need to port it? You can do that today quite easily; just say "systemd --system". I have no idea what

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Josh Triplett: > There's a reason that systemd has had a meteoric adoption rate: it > provides a huge number of features people not only want, but have wanted > for years. > Or didn't even know they wanted. Or simply didn't have *time* to implement a workaround for. The integrated logging whi

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Josh Triplett (2014-10-25 11:52:28) > [Please CC me on replies; I'm not subscribed to -vote, so for mails not > CCed to me, I end up responding via the archives and manually quoting > via copy/paste.] > > Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> Quoting Josh Triplett (2014-10-24 16:27:27) >>> Aigars Mahi

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 24 octobre 2014 à 14:47 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit : > There > have been, are and will be people with different requirements that > systemd does not and will not satisfy. > > Which requirements are not satisfied by systemd? I’m pretty sure the > upstream sy

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 09:56:33AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > All this talk about what upstream developers will and won't do. > Seems to me that they've been writing sysvinit scripts for years; > systemd support ADDS work. It's only the GNOME developers who are > being rather vocal about not s

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Josh Triplett
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:51:04AM +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > On 24 October 2014 23:16, wrote: > > I'd personally be interested in your non-devil's-advocate reasons for > > caring, because > > those seem likely to be solvable. > > I, personally, love the init part of systemd - the part tha

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Josh Triplett
[Please CC me on replies; I'm not subscribed to -vote, so for mails not CCed to me, I end up responding via the archives and manually quoting via copy/paste.] Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Josh Triplett (2014-10-24 16:27:27) > > Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > >> On 24 October 2014 13:33, Ansgar Burc