On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:39:29PM +0100, Jérémy Bobbio wrote:
> 1. Some software Debian distribute are actually only useful when
>connected to the Internet to access services for which the
>source code is unavailable.
>
> 2. The Debian policy states (emphasis is mine):
>
> # 2.2.2 T
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 02:07:40AM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:39:29PM +0100, Jérémy Bobbio wrote:
> >> 3. One test I've been taught to use to reason about free software is the
> >>Desert Island test [2] w
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:39:29PM +0100, Jérémy Bobbio wrote:
>> 3. One test I've been taught to use to reason about free software is the
>>Desert Island test [2] which starts by:
>
>> Imagine a castaway on a desert island with a so
On 19/03/13 at 21:43 +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
> * Lucas Nussbaum [2013-03-19 07:44:32 CET]:
> > But it's also about how we see our project. I would like Debian to be
> > a very welcoming project, and I hate the fact that it's harder for some
> > groups to get involved.
>
> Given that the con
On 20/03/13 at 11:22 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I did not manage to formulate a better subject... the question is about what
> should be the usual way to end our formal membership in the Debian project.
>
> In Debian, we stay member until we die or quit (or very exceptionally, are
> e
Hi,
On 20/03/13 at 00:00 +0100, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote:
> Dear candidates,
>
> In the words of Lars [*]:
>
> We're not very good at dealing with situations where a few individuals
> are dominating the discussion by being loud, insistent, and unwilling to
> budge
> or to give any c
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>> Maybe we could discriminate on the package's priorities. For example,
>> about a third of the 49 packages *really* blocking the release (not
>> waiting for a transition) are from "extra"[2]. Only 5 bugs affect
>> required, important or stand
Charles Plessy (20/03/2013):
> In Debian, we stay member until we die or quit (or very exceptionally, are
> expelled). […]
Or spotted as being MIA. This might help:
http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/MIA
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Hi,
I did not manage to formulate a better subject... the question is about what
should be the usual way to end our formal membership in the Debian project.
In Debian, we stay member until we die or quit (or very exceptionally, are
expelled). The consequence is that it is hard to evaluate how mu
Jérémy Bobbio writes:
> In the lightning talks session of DebConf11, I presented [1] some wild
> thoughts about contrib, the Desert Island test, and some software Debian
> currently ship in main.
> To sum it up:
> 1. Some software Debian distribute are actually only useful when
>connected t
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:39:29PM +0100, Jérémy Bobbio wrote:
> 3. One test I've been taught to use to reason about free software is the
>Desert Island test [2] which starts by:
> Imagine a castaway on a desert island with a solar-powered
> computer.
> Obviously, software that ar
Gergely Nagy writes:
> Stefano Zacchiroli writes:
>
>> Some of the longest -devel thread in recent years have been about
>> Debian's (default) init system: SysV, SystemD, Upstart, OpenRC, etc.
>> Despite folklore, I don't think those thread have been (entirely)
>> trollish, they all hint at a co
Dear candidates,
In the words of Lars [*]:
We're not very good at dealing with situations where a few individuals
are dominating the discussion by being loud, insistent, and unwilling to
budge
or to give any credence to opposing views. I don't know what to do about
that,
but we
Hi!
Lucas wrote in his plateform:
For example, we have been providing a fairly good rolling release for
almost 13 years with testing, but we totally fail at advertising it as
something supported and usable by end users.
Even if a dedicated team is supposed to care about security in
testing
Hi!
Thanks algernon, Lucas and Moray for running… I'd like to present my
apologies for the following questions. Feel free to simply dismiss them.
In the lightning talks session of DebConf11, I presented [1] some
wild thoughts about contrib, the Desert Island test, and some software
Debian curren
* Lucas Nussbaum [2013-03-19 07:44:32 CET]:
> But it's also about how we see our project. I would like Debian to be
> a very welcoming project, and I hate the fact that it's harder for some
> groups to get involved.
Given that the context of this statement is "lack of women in Debian",
why do yo
Rhonda
> And personally, I consider that is a false direction in the campaigning
> period. Addressing "big issues" isn't something the DPL has more power
> for than any other DD-- [...]
Sure they do - we've seen DPLs call things consensus when that's very
unclear to me and invoke their power to
Hi,
On 18/03/13 at 13:55 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Some of the longest -devel thread in recent years have been about
> Debian's (default) init system: SysV, SystemD, Upstart, OpenRC, etc.
> Despite folklore, I don't think those thread have been (entirely)
> trollish, they all hint at a co
On 2013-03-19 22:34, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
if you are ellected as DPL, will you stay Debconf chair, which is a
delegation you got from the current DPL? How can you tell the project
which decission you do as DPL and which as Debconf chair?
In your platform you only say you might to less for D
Hi Moray,
if you are ellected as DPL, will you stay Debconf chair, which is a
delegation you got from the current DPL? How can you tell the project
which decission you do as DPL and which as Debconf chair?
In your platform you only say you might to less for Debconf while being
DPL.
Cheers,
Marti
On 19/03/13 at 19:28 +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
> > In fact, campaigning period has always been an occasion to discuss "big
> > issues", as you put it, and it would be sad to pass on the occasion.
>
> And personally, I consider that is a false direction in the campaigning
> period.
Yes, but th
Lucas Nussbaum dijo [Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 07:44:32AM +0100]:
> > I would like to know your opinion about this graph (thanks Francesca!):
> > http://blog.zouish.org/posts/dw/
> (...)
> This graph is a very interesting one. As some of my past actions in
> Debian have shown, I like data and statistic
Gergely Nagy dijo [Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 01:32:32PM +0100]:
> I see people around me teach their children to use and control
> computers, to build things with them, even before they learn to
> write. They have their toys, they build stuff, sometimes they
> unknowingly write programs - before the age
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:17:41PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:39:17PM +0300, Moray Allan wrote:
> > It appears to me that some DPLs^Wpeople may merely be asking questions
> > that they find interesting and would like to see discussed. While
> > it's nice to see t
Hello,
Raphael Hertzog writes:
> The Debian ecosystem includes many economical actors, be it companies
> or individuals, but we tend to hide those aspects as if they didn't
> exist.
Well, we have the debian-companies[1] list, we also have a partners
page[2], and the debian-sponsors-discuss[3] l
Paul Tagliamonte writes:
> I'd ask the DPL candidates to speak a bit about how they intend to
> represent Debian externally -- both in terms out downstream outreach, as
> well as upstream (or even side-stream) relations.
Like I expressed earlier, elsewhere, I believe that representing Debian
is
anarcat writes:
> You all have an impressive technical curriculum. Your deeds in Debian
> speak for themselves. However, the role of a project leader is unusually
> non-technical. In fact, you will have to abandon significant technical
> tasks to tend to more "administrative" or "leadership" task
Stefano Zacchiroli writes:
> Some of the longest -devel thread in recent years have been about
> Debian's (default) init system: SysV, SystemD, Upstart, OpenRC, etc.
> Despite folklore, I don't think those thread have been (entirely)
> trollish, they all hint at a concrete problem:
(For the reco
On 2013-03-18 14:37, Mario Lang wrote:
While discussing this topic on IRC with other Debian people I was
kind
of shocked to read that basically every feature can be dropped
anytime,
and since accessibility is for a very small user group, that user
group
suffering from big rewrites is "normal"
Hi,
On 18/03/13 at 11:23 +0100, Mònica Ramírez Arceda wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to know your opinion about this graph (thanks Francesca!):
> http://blog.zouish.org/posts/dw/
>
> Note that I'm not asking for a way to recruit women (there are already
> efforts on that). I would like to know i
On 18/03/13 at 19:41 -0400, anarcat wrote:
> On 2013-03-11, Moray Allan wrote:
> > When to release: I would also note that we should continue to be
> > flexible about "-ignore" tags where appropriate. In some cases
> > leaving a package in the release with RC bugs is more useful to users
> > than
Hi Mario,
On 18/03/13 at 12:37 +0100, Mario Lang wrote:
> Hi.
>
> To make a rather complicated and long story short: Accessibility of
> graphical user interfaces in Debian has taken a slight step backward
> with the GNOME 3 rewrite. Squeeze was more stable regarding this.
>
> While discussing t
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