Re: to Moray: encourage teams to take interns

2013-03-11 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 08:07:40PM +0300, Moray Allan a écrit : > > Nevertheless, I think it would be useful for us to have some wider > kind of internship scheme, for the huge proportion of Debian > activity that definitely will not fit under the current GSoC rules. Hi Moray, I have a question:

Re: All candidates: Development and technical issues and challenges

2013-03-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Moray Allan wrote: > Earlier removals: I wonder if removing RC-buggy packages much earlier in the > freeze would help -- even if it's logically no different to saying they will > be removed later, it might wake up maintainers into bug-fixing action > faster, and es

[to all candidates] about a DPL board

2013-03-11 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, in the past i heared several ideas about a Debian Project Leader board similar to the SPI board. So lets imagine the project would have to vote for several members of this sort of board, with every member being on-board for (lets say) 3y. What do you think about this idea? Would it be worth

[to all candidates] using debian funds for Debian's hardware infrastructure

2013-03-11 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, in the past Debian had some generous donors, who donated a huge amounts of high quality hardware on regual basis to the Debian project. For some reasons (not to be discussed here) those sources dont exist any more. As this hardware comes to the end of it's lifecycle, DSA will need to buy new

[to all candidates] best wishes

2013-03-11 Thread vangelis mouhtsis
I wish to all candidates the best wishes so they can get courage to work for Debian project, to fight for it and continue the great job to bring Debian as the best distr ever. All of you are, as far i know, the best developers. Keep on doing great job and as dpl leader. good luck to all gnugr --

Re: mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Ana Guerrero writes: > - For some DDs in previous years, this seemed to be a way to have students > doing stuff from their TODO lists... Just a quick note on this part: I don't think this is inherently a bad idea, although of course it should be something the student is also excited about. Bu

Re: trying to do awesome and risking to fail

2013-03-11 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-11 11:30, Sune Vuorela wrote: Focussing on not failing is helping ensuring to stay mediocre. And not doing awesome. So, how can we make debian do awesome stuff? I think we have many people around in Debian who think they have awesome ideas and don't mind if they fail, but as a mat

Re: to Moray: encourage teams to take interns

2013-03-11 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-11 23:26, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Note that I did not comment (or "ignored", as you put it) on some points in your reply only because I agreed with them. (Thank you for clarifying; I didn't detect agreement from your reply.) Still, given that GSoC exists, I find it useful to explore

Re: Why do you think you are a good candidate for DPL

2013-03-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Martin Zobel-Helas writes: > Why do you think you are a good candidate for the next DPL term? That's a good question, one that I'm not sure I can provide a useful answer for. Not because I have doubts (I don't), but because why *I* think I am a good candidate has little relevance, and is fairly

mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-11 Thread Ana Guerrero
[Some sort-of thread hijacking] Hi folks, I see this thread going nowhere and it's a pity because discussing new ways to integrate contributors in Debian is a topic worth discussing. I have been involved in GSoC in the editions 2011 and 2012 and in Code-in 2011. Besides that, I mentored a now DD

Re: to Moray: encourage teams to take interns

2013-03-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 11/03/13 at 22:41 +0300, Moray Allan wrote: > On 2013-03-11 22:14, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > >We can try to second-guess Google's motivations for excluding > >documentation to determine if it also applies to packaging, or we can > >just ask, which I have done: > > > >https://groups.google.com/foru

Re: to Moray: encourage teams to take interns

2013-03-11 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-11 22:14, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: We can try to second-guess Google's motivations for excluding documentation to determine if it also applies to packaging, or we can just ask, which I have done: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups=#!topic/google-summer-of-code-discuss/X9Um

Re: All candidates: Development and technical issues and challenges

2013-03-11 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-11 01:35, Lars Wirzenius wrote: In your opinion, what are the fundamental reasons the release freeze is so long, and so painful, and what do you propose to do, as DPL, to fix them? On one level I'm cautious about answering this. I don't think that a DPL should try to impose polici

Re: to Moray: encourage teams to take interns

2013-03-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 11/03/13 at 20:14 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > We can try to second-guess Google's motivations for excluding > documentation to determine if it also applies to packaging, or we can > just ask, which I have done: > https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups=#!topic/google-summer-of-code-

Re: to Moray: encourage teams to take interns

2013-03-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 11/03/13 at 20:07 +0300, Moray Allan wrote: > On 2013-03-11 19:44, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > >I see. Interesting. But in > >https://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2013/03/msg00012.html, the > >"no > >packaging work" rule seems to come from the Debian GSoC team, and at > >least Sylvestre seems ope

Re: to Moray: encourage teams to take interns

2013-03-11 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-11 19:44, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I see. Interesting. But in https://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2013/03/msg00012.html, the "no packaging work" rule seems to come from the Debian GSoC team, and at least Sylvestre seems open to modifying it. It "comes from" from how they have unde

Re: to Moray: encourage teams to take interns

2013-03-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 11/03/13 at 19:28 +0300, Moray Allan wrote: > On 2013-03-11 18:42, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > >In your platform, you give that specific idea: > > > >I am not sure how it would differ from GSoC? What different > >problem will > >this solve? > > Apart from the obvious differences of control etc., GS

Re: to Moray: encourage teams to take interns

2013-03-11 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-11 18:42, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Also, we often have problems finding ideas for GSoC. Oh, and I forgot to say here: This year's deadline for GSoC project ideas is only a week away, on Monday 18 March. I very much encourage everyone reading to think hard about ideas and add new pr

Re: to Moray: encourage teams to take interns

2013-03-11 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-11 18:42, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: In your platform, you give that specific idea: I am not sure how it would differ from GSoC? What different problem will this solve? Apart from the obvious differences of control etc., GSoC is fundamentally about writing a significant piece of code.

Re: to DPL candidates: How do you plan to represent Debian externally?

2013-03-11 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-11 00:56, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: I'd ask the DPL candidates to speak a bit about how they intend to represent Debian externally A few points: I see the DPL as a kind of "chair" position rather than a "do everything" one. For some aspects of external relations it may be useful to

to Moray: encourage teams to take interns

2013-03-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi Moray, In your platform, you give that specific idea: Besides the great work of debian-mentors/mentors.debian.net, it might be good to provide more ways to learn about how to contribute to Debian. One possibility would be to encourage teams to take interns, perhaps for a summer

Re: to DPL candidates: getting new people to Debian

2013-03-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 10/03/13 at 22:32 -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Timo Juhani Lindfors dijo [Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 05:34:58PM +0200]: > > Hi, > > > > I'd like to have each DPL candidate briefly discuss the challenges of > > getting new people to Debian. > > Hi, > > Riding on Timo Juhani's question (and not y

Re: to DPL candidates: getting new people to Debian

2013-03-11 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-11 07:32, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Riding on Timo Juhani's question (and not yet having read the two answers that it has already): There was an interesting discussion (sadly, in a private forum I cannot quote here, but the fact of having I believe you're referring to the discussion I summ

Re: All candidates: Development and technical issues and challenges

2013-03-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 11/03/13 at 21:49 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > to make fixing RC bugs more rewarding. For example, in the Debian Project > > News, we could list the most efficient RC bug squashers. > > Just discussed this in #debian-publicity, if you c

Re: All candidates: Development and technical issues and challenges

2013-03-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > to make fixing RC bugs more rewarding. For example, in the Debian Project > News, we could list the most efficient RC bug squashers. Just discussed this in #debian-publicity, if you can write a query to run against UDD, the publicity team i

[to all candidates] Free Software challenges and Debian role

2013-03-11 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
(After 4 years, I'm again on the right side of the ballot box to ask questions... *cracking knuckles*) All candidates seem to agree that Debian has an important role to play in the Free Software movement at large. Good: I couldn't agree more! :) But then, one wonders, what are the main challenges

Re: trying to do awesome and risking to fail

2013-03-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 11/03/13 at 08:30 +, Sune Vuorela wrote: > Hi candidates > > So, over the last years I have seen a Debian where it among the people > is much more important to avoid to fail than trying to do awesome stuff. > > But doing awesome stuff is where the fun is, and also where the > possibil

Re: All candidates: Development and technical issues and challenges

2013-03-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
> In your opinion, what are the fundamental reasons the release freeze is so > long, and so painful, and what do you propose to do, as DPL, to fix them? The release process is hard to grasp. The most visible side of it is the number of RC bugs (which I contributed to increase :p) As a DPL, I will

Re: to DPL candidates: getting new people to Debian

2013-03-11 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:32:10PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > There was an interesting discussion (sadly, in a private forum I > cannot quote here, but the fact of having had the discussion does not > disclose private information, yada yada...) You mean the discussion (re)started publicly at:

Re: trying to do awesome and risking to fail

2013-03-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Hi! Sune Vuorela writes: > So, over the last years I have seen a Debian where it among the people > is much more important to avoid to fail than trying to do awesome > stuff. While I subscribe to the 'avoid failure whenever you can' school of thought, I do not wish to hold on to that thought at

trying to do awesome and risking to fail

2013-03-11 Thread Sune Vuorela
Hi candidates So, over the last years I have seen a Debian where it among the people is much more important to avoid to fail than trying to do awesome stuff. But doing awesome stuff is where the fun is, and also where the possibility to be awesome is. Where the possibility create something new. T