Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-11 Thread Marc Singer
2009/8/11 Josselin Mouette > [deletia] > > I do not trust a majority of people – regardless of the people – to make > an appropriate managerial decision. We have people in charge, who take a > lot of time to remain informed of the status of various subsystems in > Debian so that they can make inf

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 11 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 11 août 2009 à 15:08 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : >> Perhaps you should look at this less confrontationally. The vote >> is a non-binding recommendation, it is an information gathering vote >> where people provide feedback to t

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 11 août 2009 à 15:08 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > Perhaps you should look at this less confrontationally. The vote > is a non-binding recommendation, it is an information gathering vote > where people provide feedback to the release team; by voting for the > option that b

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-11 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Anthony Towns said: > Any thoughts? We could have such a vote over and done in about two weeks, > with the DPL's consent, and it'd seem a lot more inclusive and less > cabal-tastic than how things seem to be working atm... Is there some reason we need something as heav

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 11 2009, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Anthony Towns dijo [Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 01:07:33PM +1000]: >> So, with August almost half-way over, I guess the release team's not >> going to be doing much more to seek input from non-key teams/developers. >> >> I still think it'd be interesting and use

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-11 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Anthony Towns dijo [Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 01:07:33PM +1000]: > So, with August almost half-way over, I guess the release team's not > going to be doing much more to seek input from non-key teams/developers. > > I still think it'd be interesting and useful to get broader input, > though. Something l

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-11 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:14:10AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Forking devotee at this point seems to serve little purpose, > given that upstream is not hostile. > Given that the secretary team haven't heared of these patches (AFAIK), the mention of 'forking' is a bit of a over-reac

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 11 2009, Matthew Johnson wrote: > On Tue Aug 11 10:12, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: >> Personally I don't think we should do a GR to recommend a freeze or release >> date. >> We already used the DPL election to push a release, when it was *long* due, >> but >> I don't think we should

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-11 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Tue Aug 11 10:12, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > Personally I don't think we should do a GR to recommend a freeze or release > date. > We already used the DPL election to push a release, when it was *long* due, > but > I don't think we should push a freeze. Zack has been patching devotee to al

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-11 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Anthony Towns wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 05:39:23AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 07:28:58PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: About freeze timing we think that DebConf should definitely not fall into a freeze We noticed that releases in the first quarter of the year worked o