Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:28:56AM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > > Well, because it is in line with the questions which they have been > > > asked and its both a good chance to see weither they stand on a similar > > > point > > > as I do and to see weither anyone is interested in the idea

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 22/03/09 at 23:53 +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:47:57PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Hi, > > I have to disapprove on a proposal whose purpose is essentially to > disfranchise developers from their right related to general resolutions. > General resolutions are a m

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:09:43 + Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/3/22 Josselin Mouette > > > And should anyone appreciate the fact that FTP masters are wasting > > valuable developer time and putting pressure on people to the point > > they resign from maintaining critical packages? > > Anyhow, let'

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:59:34AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > That's a fair question, but AUIU, it is not up to the proposer, having > already proposed, to decide when the vote gets called. > It's up to the proposer or any of the seconders to do so. Neil -- hermanr_: I never studied german I

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Ben Finney
Bill Allombert writes: > I have to disapprove on a proposal whose purpose is essentially to > disfranchise developers from their right related to general > resolutions. This proposed change disenfranchises no-one; no-one's rights are deprived. It does not discriminate and treats all DDs equally

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:53:02PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > The first GR was passed in June 2003 and there were 804 developers. > The last GR was passed in November 2008 and there were 1018 developers. > Actually, to be fair, the first vote was 1999, with 357 developers. Neil -- < vorlon>

[dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:47:57PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Hi, I have to disapprove on a proposal whose purpose is essentially to disfranchise developers from their right related to general resolutions. General resolutions are a much more democratic and mature processes to handle conflicts t

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 09:56:20PM +, Neil Williams wrote: > > > PROPOSAL START > > > > General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian > > Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requi

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil Williams
> PROPOSAL START > > General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian > Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements > to initiate one are too small. > > Therefore the Debian projec

Baptiste Mireux est absent(e).

2009-03-22 Thread baptiste . mireux
Je serai absent(e) à partir du 16/03/2009 de retour le 23/03/2009. Pour toute demande de VRou de coefficient veuillez faire suivre vos demandes à l'une des personnes suivantes: - Virginie Duforest - Féguy Farouil - Sylvain Lemonnier - Gilberte Melan Pour les autres demandes, j'y répondrais dès

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 22 mars 2009 à 16:09 +, Sam Kuper a écrit : > If that pressure stems from a concern that without proper license > information, Debian users/developers/etc could face legal action, then > I, for one, as a Debian user, appreciate it. > Hint #1: the complete list of copyright holders

Re: All candidates: Membership procedures

2009-03-22 Thread Luk Claes
Lars Wirzenius wrote: > su, 2009-03-22 kello 17:01 +0100, Luk Claes kirjoitti: >> I think we first have to think about what a member, if we need different >> types of access/members and what they would be before thinking about the >> process(es) to become a member. I do think for instance that >> c

Re: All candidates: Membership procedures

2009-03-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2009-03-22 kello 17:01 +0100, Luk Claes kirjoitti: > I think we first have to think about what a member, if we need different > types of access/members and what they would be before thinking about the > process(es) to become a member. I do think for instance that > contributers who spend a lot

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Sam Kuper
2009/3/22 Josselin Mouette > And should anyone appreciate the fact that FTP masters are wasting > valuable developer time and putting pressure on people to the point they > resign from maintaining critical packages? If that pressure stems from a concern that without proper license information,

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 04:27:22PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: > [second try, this with mutt instead of tin] > In article <87vdq3gcf6@vorlon.ganneff.de> > (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: > [...] > > PROPOSAL START > >

Re: All candidates: Membership procedures

2009-03-22 Thread Luk Claes
Lars Wirzenius wrote: > la, 2009-03-21 kello 01:42 +, Steve McIntyre kirjoitti: >> P.S. Damn, just read Zack's answer and we don't seem to differ very >> much. Oh well... :-) > > Dear Zack McIntyre, Steve Claes, and Luk Zacchiroli, > > What's your opinion on membership procedures? > > Last y

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 22 mars 2009 à 14:55 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit : > The original discussion isn't even half over and you come running to us > screaming GR. Way to abuse our constitution and waste everyone's time. > > Not appreciated. Not at all. And should anyone appreciate the fact that FTP ma

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
[second try, this with mutt instead of tin] In article <87vdq3gcf6@vorlon.ganneff.de> (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: [...] > PROPOSAL START > > General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debi

Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:35:32PM -0300, Martín Ferrari wrote: > On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 15:49 +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > > PROPOSAL START > > > > General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian > > Pr

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:39:13PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: > In article <87vdq3gcf6@vorlon.ganneff.de> > (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: > [...] > > PROPOSAL START > > > > General Resolutions are an im

Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11697 March 1977, Neil McGovern wrote: > AMENDMENT START > > General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian > Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements > to initiate one are

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: > as per Constitution 4.1.3, I am proposing the following General > Resolution. The original discussion isn't even half over and you come running to us screaming GR. Way to abuse our constitution and waste everyone's time. Not appreciated. Not at al

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In article <87vdq3gcf6@vorlon.ganneff.de> (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: [...] > PROPOSAL START > > General Resolutions are an important framework within the D

Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi, Thanks for bringing this GR. I'd like to propose an amendment: AMENDMENT START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to i

Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > I expressly refrained to answer your mail because it targetted the DPL > > candidate but IMO it's one those "false good ideas until you make it a > > reality". I'm all for a team of many people improving the base packages, > > so find those people

Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:25:11AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:11:58PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:43:16PM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > > > What do you think about such a prop

Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:11:58PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:43:16PM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > > What do you think about such a proposal? > > > > Why are you asking the DPL candidates what they think of t

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:04:36PM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:36:24PM +0200, Teemu Likonen wrote: > > On 2009-03-21 19:20 (+0100), Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > > > If you need to understand the rationale, please read the thread on > > > debian-devel with "Sponso