Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Robert Millan wrote: > OTOH, if you just tell me to "go elsewhere", I'm sorry but I don't want to > look the other way while the project destroys its reputation for having a > commitment to freedom, a democratic system and a set of principles. The only one who works on destroying the project at t

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Robert Millan [Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:22:58 +0100]: > >> Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers what they >> think, and hold another vote. > > Yes, I'm realizing myself there is not going to be another way. :-( > > Proposal: hand Robert Millan

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Robert Millan writes ("Re: Results of the Lenny release GR"): > Actually, I accept the outcome of the last vote. I don't like that we made > an exception for firmware, but the developers chose to make one so there's no > point in arguing about it. > > On the other hand, it appears that the Secret

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Frank Küster
Robert Millan wrote: > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 07:13:57PM +0100, Michael Goetze wrote: >> Robert Millan wrote: >> > - Even if there's a general perception that everyone agrees not to delay >> > Lenny at all costs, this should definitely be voted on and sanctioned. >> > Not doing so crea

Re: I give up (for the time being)

2009-01-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Robert Millan writes: > So, I'll stop now. Do not think this means the problem just got > "solved". I only do it because I expect we can have a healthy > discussion about it after Lenny is released. > > Best wishes to everyone, Thank you. Sincerely. I think this will mean we can have a bette

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:35:22AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > How about you going elsewhere until Lenny is released, then coming back > as soon as that happens and start working on what is left to fix then? > (Not right before a release, right after a release for a change.) > A VERY BIG +1

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:37:28PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 09:26:20PM +, Robert Millan wrote: > > > We're having a serious discussion, and you guys are adding noise. If you > > > want to make jokes, please at least start a separate thread. > ... > That goes for

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:34:41PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > He's doing more than interpret the results. He claims they are ambigous, > and that his "interpretation" is based on his speculation on what he thinks > the developers want. No, instead of whining and acusing people you should try t