Re: Supermajority requirements and historical context [Was, Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR]

2008-12-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 02:22:40PM +, Matthew Johnson wrote: > On Sat Dec 20 17:51, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:48:43PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > > In my eyes, this argument applies to any situation where a supermajority > > > might be formally required,

Re: Supermajority requirements and historical context [Was, Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR]

2008-12-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 03:38:55PM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: > - "Steve Langasek" wrote: > > Yes, I agree that supermajority requirements are a bad idea in > > general. > To understand the need for a supermajority all you have to do is look at > American politics. A supermajority insures

Re: RFC: General resolution: Clarify the status of the social contract

2008-12-21 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 02:52:03PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > As far as voting for a position statement along the lines of "the social > contract doesn't matter, we'll upload Microsoft Word into main, yay!", > I believe that would also require a simple majority (1:1) to pass, What you're say

Re: Supermajority requirements and historical context [Was, Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR]

2008-12-21 Thread Ean Schuessler
- "Steve Langasek" wrote: > Yes, I agree that supermajority requirements are a bad idea in > general. To understand the need for a supermajority all you have to do is look at American politics. A supermajority insures that a razor thin majority can't end up doing something radically disagr

Re: gr_lenny vs gr_socialcontract

2008-12-21 Thread Ean Schuessler
- "Anthony Towns" wrote: > I consider being able to easily install Debian and get it running on > whatever random hardware I buy an essential freedom, so I see most of > this as people trying to take away my freedoms. Obviously, your mileage > varies, but that doesn't make either of us popul

Re: gr_lenny vs gr_socialcontract

2008-12-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho dijo [Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:51:39PM +0200]: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 01:43:44PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Politics is the art of making people who disagree with you look stupid > > and immoral. > > Politics is, in my experience, the art of finding the compromise tha

Re: RFC: General resolution: Clarify the status of the social contract

2008-12-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Russ Allbery dijo [Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:18:01PM -0800]: > Some possible options for that body: > > * The DPL (advantage: most directly representative governance figure) > > * The Secretary (advantage: not directly representative and hence somewhat > akin to a Supreme Court judge in the US le

Re: Supermajority requirements and historical context [Was, Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR]

2008-12-21 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Sat Dec 20 17:51, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:48:43PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > In my eyes, this argument applies to any situation where a supermajority > > might be formally required, and in my opinion the corollary is that > > supermajorities are a bad ide

Re: Status of Lenny Release GR

2008-12-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Bdale Garbee dijo [Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 08:59:19AM -0700]: > The closing time specified in the original call for votes was in error, > as the timing was supposed to be shortened for discussion periods but > not the actual voting interval. Thus, I believe the vote in process > should properly end a